US rider sues Harley Davidson over "missing ABS"

[davereid]

But I'm going to take a wild stab and assume she was not wearing a full face helmet, and possibly no helmet at all to have such severe damage.

Have you any idea how much safer a helmet makes you ?

Heres a game for you to play

from the graph of year v motorcycle deaths, guess which year we had helmets introduced.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Have you any idea how much safer a helmet makes you ?

Heres a game for you to play

from the graph of year v motorcycle deaths, guess which year we had helmets introduced.

People can twist facts as much as they like...but to think or say you're as safe riding without a helmet is total shit.

[ducatilover]

you read the manual I only look at that thing when I need to know something like tyre pressures or how much oil it needs not if it has what feature. And anyhow the manual probabley says it has A.B.S., well model xyz2343478tgke or something does which may or may not be his model but either way is bloody close to it.

I lied, I don't have a Hardley...
He's a fucking idiot for not knowing if he has ABS or not.

Older HD's all had abs anyway. As in...you could squeeze the front brake lever as hard as you like and the fucking things wouldn't lock due to lack of power!

Not as if you'd be going that fast anyway

[davereid]

People can twist facts as much as they like...but to think or say you're as safe riding without a helmet is total shit.

Which fact did I twist ? And whats your guess ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Which fact did I twist ? And whats your guess ?

I'm not saying you did. But helmet stats are bullshit, as most of them only count deaths, not the permanent brain injuries I've seen due to the lack of wearing one.

[scumdog]

Older HD's all had abs anyway. As in...you could squeeze the front brake lever as hard as you like and the fucking things wouldn't lock due to lack of power!

I've had smoke pissing out from my front tyre once when 'panic braking' - and it ain't THAT new!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I've had smoke pissing out from my front tyre once when 'panic braking' - and it ain't THAT new!

Yeah but if that's on your FXDXT at least you've got two front discs!

[rastuscat]

Common sense died with this guy.

Basically the knobend has crashed his bike then went looking for something to blame.

It's a self defence mechanism, we all use it. We get caught speeding, then we blame the cop for hiding, or revenue collecting, or whatever else makes us feel better.

Sorry for his injured wife, but the guy needs to look in a mirror, man-up and accept that it was his own damn fault for outriding the bikes ability to stop.

This is just like the crazy USA court decision that saw Maccas pay a zillion bucks to a woman who burned herself with coffee from a cup with a warning about coffee.

How can anyone who has a bike not know if it has ABS or not?

[jonbuoy]

He thought it did have ABS that's the point, he thought he was sold a bike with ABS - there was an ABS light on the dash (that never lit up) but I can understand how he is pissed off if it was a crash that could have been avoided if the bike did have ABS (which he assumed he was sold).

[Kickaha]

Have you any idea how much safer a helmet makes you ?

Heres a game for you to play

from the graph of year v motorcycle deaths, guess which year we had helmets introduced.

Do you have a graph comparing crashes for one hundred (or any other number) riders wearing helmets vs one hundred without?

[davereid]

The facts are, that in New Zealand, motorcycle deaths almost doubled after the introduction of helmets, and never came back down.

Lots of things may have contributed to this, '73 oil shock meaning more bikers, nice weather, the arrival of japanese bikes that actually meant you could be a rider not a mechanic, risk compensation, who knows.

But everywhere their is debate about helmets, people think they are magic. That they make you very much safer.

Choosing to ride a motorcycle makes you around 18-20 times (1800-2000%) more likely to be injured in an accident than a car driver.

Wearing a helmet measurably improves things. The NHTSA says about 37% improvement.

If you argue that you can (should) force someone to wear a helmet for a 37% improvement, you must also support the argument that motorcycles should be banned for a 2000% improvement.

[Dadpole]

If you argue that you can (should) force someone to wear a helmet for a 37% improvement, you must also support the argument that motorcycles should be banned for a 2000% improvement.

This is the thinking in ACC after all.

[oneofsix]

The facts are, that in New Zealand, motorcycle deaths almost doubled after the introduction of helmets, and never came back down.

Lots of things may have contributed to this, '73 oil shock meaning more bikers, nice weather, the arrival of japanese bikes that actually meant you could be a rider not a mechanic, risk compensation, who knows.

But everywhere their is debate about helmets, people think they are magic. That they make you very much safer.

Choosing to ride a motorcycle makes you around 18-20 times (1800-2000%) more likely to be injured in an accident than a car driver.

Wearing a helmet measurably improves things. The NHTSA says about 37% improvement.

If you argue that you can (should) force someone to wear a helmet for a 37% improvement, you must also support the argument that motorcycles should be banned for a 2000% improvement.

you must teach statistics.
Shell we also ban bicycles, walking, and cars. But then again you are more likely to commit suicide than die in a road smash so lets just kill everybody and get it over with.

[Jay GTI]

who knows.

This, sadly, is the only sensible part of your post.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The facts are, that in New Zealand, motorcycle deaths almost doubled after the introduction of helmets, and never came back down.

Lots of things may have contributed to this, '73 oil shock meaning more bikers, nice weather, the arrival of japanese bikes that actually meant you could be a rider not a mechanic, risk compensation, who knows.

But everywhere their is debate about helmets, people think they are magic. That they make you very much safer.

Choosing to ride a motorcycle makes you around 18-20 times (1800-2000%) more likely to be injured in an accident than a car driver.

Wearing a helmet measurably improves things. The NHTSA says about 37% improvement.

If you argue that you can (should) force someone to wear a helmet for a 37% improvement, you must also support the argument that motorcycles should be banned for a 2000% improvement.

Oh bullshit.

I havent got time now to deconstruct this pseudo logical pile of steaming turd, but you have made a number of sweeping generalisations, and unsupported wild theories, and made a couple of basic errors in "how to construct a logical argument". My favourite so far is the highlighted part.