US rider sues Harley Davidson over "missing ABS"

[paturoa]

Hmmm, I'm in two minds about this one.

1) I suspect that he did think that the bike had ABS.

Had a good friend that bought a Nissan Terrano import and he was telling me proud as, that it was the new more powerful 3 liter engine and that the salesperson had been really talking it up. Cool says I, and we go out to have a look at it. Here was the old model TD27 model sitting there, so I says to him, "I thought that I didn't realise that they put the 3 litre in the old one, had it been re-powered?" No says he, so I asked to have a look under the hood and sure enough there was the vin plate proudly displaying the TD27 VIN plate. So I showed him that and he didn't seem at all happy!

2) My ignorance or stupidity, is not someone's elses acountability.

Whenever I get something new I "fiddle" with it and even read the manual.

[oneofsix]

Hmmm, I'm in two minds about this one.

1) I suspect that he did think that the bike had ABS.

Had a good friend that bought a Nissan Terrano import and he was telling me proud as, that it was the new more powerful 3 liter engine and that the salesperson had been really talking it up. Cool says I, and we go out to have a look at it. Here was the old model TD27 model sitting there, so I says to him, "I thought that I didn't realise that they put the 3 litre in the old one, had it been re-powered?" No says he, so I asked to have a look under the hood and sure enough there was the vin plate proudly displaying the TD27 VIN plate. So I showed him that and he didn't seem at all happy!

2) My ignorance or stupidity, is not someone's elses acountability.

Whenever I get something new I "fiddle" with it and even read the manual.

Your two minds goes to what makes HD, or at least the seller, suable. Even the law in NZ has clauses to make it illegal for a seller to play on 2) thereby resulting in 1) and because of this your friend would have a case to get his money back. In the HD case money back isn't going to help his wife. He was sold something claiming it had certain safer features and after as crash (make that during) he discovers it doesn't. He was sucked in. defrauded if you prefer, but the cost is now far higher than just the vehicle so to determine fair recompense he must sue.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Your two minds goes to what makes HD, or at least the seller, suable. Even the law in NZ has clauses to make it illegal for a seller to play on 2) thereby resulting in 1) and because of this your friend would have a case to get his money back. In the HD case money back isn't going to help his wife. He was sold something claiming it had certain safer features and after as crash (make that during) he discovers it doesn't. He was sucked in. defrauded if you prefer, but the cost is now far higher than just the vehicle so to determine fair recompense he must sue.

Yeah I think the salesman is very lucky he ain't the one being sued. He should be.

[ducatilover]

So, there I was reading the owners manual on my HD, realising that I do not have ABS.

[oneofsix]

So, there I was reading the owners manual on my HD, realising that I do not have ABS.

you read the manual I only look at that thing when I need to know something like tyre pressures or how much oil it needs not if it has what feature. And anyhow the manual probabley says it has A.B.S., well model xyz2343478tgke or something does which may or may not be his model but either way is bloody close to it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Older HD's all had abs anyway. As in...you could squeeze the front brake lever as hard as you like and the fucking things wouldn't lock due to lack of power!

[Gremlin]

I wouldn't trust the manual actually. They are usually produced for the model, ignoring spec level within the model, and the manual itself often states something like "optional, if applicable to your model" etc

[Jay GTI]

Yeah I think the salesman is very lucky he ain't the one being sued. He should be.

That is questionable, there's nothing in that story that states he told the customer that that specific bike had ABS.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That is questionable, there's nothing in that story that states he told the customer that that specific bike had ABS.

I know. Only his word.


"He also claimed the salesman who sold him the bike gave him an elbow-to-the-ribs-type aside and said 'chicks love ABS'."

[Scuba_Steve]

I know. Only his word.


"He also claimed the salesman who sold him the bike gave him an elbow-to-the-ribs-type aside and said 'chicks love ABS'."

& I reckon the salesman said "chicks love abs" Not "Chicks love A.B.S." it's all in how it's said Which is probably why he's not suing the salesman, that & HD has more monies

[Jay GTI]

& I reckon the salesman said "chicks love abs" Not "Chicks love A.B.S." it's all in how it's said Which is probably why he's not suing the salesman, that & HD has more monies

Think it might have been more of a reference to the fact chicks might enjoy straddling something that vibrates, like a bike in full A.B.S. mode.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Older HD's all had abs anyway. As in...you could squeeze the front brake lever as hard as you like and the fucking things wouldn't lock due to lack of power!

I took one of the new '48's for a spin a while ago and was well impressed with the front brake. It was better than the brake on the Triumph Scrambler I had at the time. Not as good as my ST-R though.....

[Paul in NZ]

I'm not saying the guy wouldn't have crashed anyway, but I still think if you genuinely thought you had it, you may ride differently.

The fucked up medical system they have sure didn't cause the accident though.

The crash was caused by falling off/running into something but the lawsuit was caused by the dumb medical system...

[HenryDorsetCase]

& I reckon the salesman said "chicks love abs" Not "Chicks love A.B.S." it's all in how it's said Which is probably why he's not suing the salesman, that & HD has more monies

Some might say............ the typical harley rider is more likely to have the keg than the six pack.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I took one of the new '48's for a spin a while ago and was well impressed with the front brake. It was better than the brake on the Triumph Scrambler I had at the time. Not as good as my ST-R though.....

Yeah they're not bad. Should've tried them when the had the old single piston sliding caliper though.