LAMS Harley

[p.dath]

That's interesting. If the law says 150 kw/tonne, thats like saying the speed limit is 100km/hr. Simple, and easy to understand.

The measurement of speed is well defined.

The weight of an engine is not well defined (some manufacturers measure it without fluids - as in just the engine, others measure it with fluids - as in the running weight). The measuring of power is well defined, but not where you measure it (some measure it at the crank shaft for instance where it is high, some measure it at the rear wheel - where it is actually used (and which will be less than at the crank shaft)).

if the info on a particular bike is not easily available, it wont be on the list.
if the info isnt presented to them in a format THEY want, it wont be on the list. simple.

+1. The Government wont be looking to put bikes on the list. It will the manufacturers and importers wanting to get their bike on the list knowing that they will remove a barrier to sale.

I just want to clear up one aspect that has been said. Being on the list does not mean a bike is "certified". The list has no legal power. The act of parliament makes no mention of it.
The LAMs list is simply a list compiled by the Australians, and copied by the NZTA, to make working out which bikes meet the legislation requirements easier.

Because the act of parliament makes no reference to the list it will not be a defence to say that your bike is on the LAMs list, or any other list.

[davereid]

I just want to clear up one aspect that has been said. Being on the list does not mean a bike is "certified". The list has no legal power. The act of parliament makes no mention of it. The LAMs list is simply a list compiled by the Australians, and copied by the NZTA, to make working out which bikes meet the legislation requirements easier. Because the act of parliament makes no reference to the list it will not be a defence to say that your bike is on the LAMs list, or any other list.

What a load of old bollocks.

There is no Act of Parliament. Its been done as a rule, no Act required. And it appears the "RULE" will determine what bikes are legal with a god-list. From the NZTA website:

How will people know whether a motorcycle is LAMS-compliant?
The amended Driver Licensing Rule will contain a definition of 'approved motorcycle' for novice riders. The NZTA will also publish on its website a list of LAMS-compliant motorcycles closer to the time that the LAMS comes into force. This is in line with the current successful practice in Victoria.

In addition, a LAMS-compliant motorcycle will have an identifier on the vehicle licence label. Therefore, it will be obvious when purchasing a new or used motorcycle whether that vehicle is LAMS-compliant or not.

So, it would seem that NZTA are taking all the risk. If its got LAMS on the rego label, then as far as they are concerned its LAMS, even if its not.

The point is, NZ has a different motorcycle fleet to Australia.

NZ often gets the unsold US and Canada bikes, which are different spec to the Oz bikes. We also allow parallel importing, so we get private inporters importing used and new bikes from all over the world.

And unlike Oz, many NZ bikes are sold NEW by the importer with way more power than the Oz version. My ER6 was sold NEW with a range of performance enhancements fitted before delivery, meaning that even though its on the OZ list, it would not have been legal.

But I think its great.
Kiwis will be able to buy Oz list bikes, or "close enough", and get them labelled as LAMS approved.

[p.dath]

What a load of old bollocks.

There is no Act of Parliament. Its been done as a rule, no Act required. And it appears the "RULE" will determine what bikes are legal with a god-list. From the NZTA website:

Ok, if you want to get technical, you are correct, it is covered by the "Land Transport (Driver Licensing) Amendment Rule 2011 (SR 2011/306)", specificall section 6(3). Interesting enough though, the wording that has been adopted is different to the draft proposal I read:

approved motorcycle means the make and model of any motorcycle that—
“(a) has an engine capacity of 250 cc or less, unless the Agency has prohibited the use of that make and model of motorcycle by notice published on the Agency's Internet site; or
“(b) has an engine capacity of more than 250 cc but not more than 660 cc and a power-to-weight ratio of not more than 150 kilowatts per tonne and is approved for use by the Agency by notice published on the Agency's Internet site

So it doesn't specify LAMs, but in effect does, by saying that if it is over 250cc it must be on the approved list on the web site. It's the first time I have seen legislation make mention of a list on a web site.

It also seems the new wording has now opened up the use of motorcycles that don't have an engine capacity, such as electric motorcycles, to learners.

I think the modification of putting LAMS on the rego label will now make the enforcement of this aspect of the rule now possible.

[GrayWolf]

But I bet they sell though...all those guys who bought a Honda because there wasn't a Harley suitable for their licence catagory will now be able to side-step gayness and go 'straight' to a Harley!

So from reading this, honda riders are 'gay.
HD,s have a lot of assholes riding them.........

Guess you're right, the average honda/HD rider could well be fully interchangable then.

[caspernz]

So from reading this, honda riders are 'gay.
HD,s have a lot of assholes riding them.........

Guess you're right, the average honda/HD rider could well be fully interchangable then.

So tell me what the dilemma is called when I've got a Suzuki and I'm quite taken by the new HD Road King? The colour stays the same though...black of course. Or if I wanna keep the Suzuki for commuting and get the HD Road King for longer rides? Is that affliction difficult to pronounce?

[jrandom]

So tell me what the dilemma is called when I've got a Suzuki and I'm quite taken by the new HD Road King?

It's called the "Which Harley Dealer Will Trade In a Teapot" dilemma.

[caspernz]

It's called the "Which Harley Dealer Will Trade In a Teapot" dilemma.

Seeing as the teapot came from Welly MC, who do Suzuki and HD, should I choose the trade-in approach, no worries....it's only money we lose on the trade-in....not a limb

[scracha]

Hmm, a tad uber-sensitive....not a little homophobic are you?

If your mouth is purty you may find out

[tigertim20]

If your mouth is purty you may find out

careful mate, scummy is likely to get naked and chase ya.
he does that to blokes apparently

[GrayWolf]

So tell me what the dilemma is called when I've got a Suzuki and I'm quite taken by the new HD Road King? The colour stays the same though...black of course. Or if I wanna keep the Suzuki for commuting and get the HD Road King for longer rides? Is that affliction difficult to pronounce?

think it's called 'Confusion'... easily fixed though...
to blend the love of the Suzuki and the love of the big twin tourer..... By a C109... both needs met in one bike

[StoneY]

think it's called 'Confusion'... easily fixed though...
to blend the love of the Suzuki and the love of the big twin Lazyboy recliner..... By a C109... both needs met in one bike

There ... fixed it for you.