Ride safe. Bollox!

[NONONO]

Coming back from Napier after Christmas.
Aware of the reduced tolerance to 104kph from 110kph.
Thought I would take it easy on the Rocket, do a bit of thinking and watch the scenery.
No chance. Even at the limit, and a bit over, every car was soon positioned right on my rear wheel.
All trying to pass at the daftest points.
On the ride in from Napier hills kept thinking bout "riding to the conditions", however the conditions kept changing as every road patch had a different surface, mostly covered in gravel.
So, this 104 bollix is just that, Bollix.
Only thing that kept me going was Fatt Max and "Equal on the Road".

[Marmoot]

I reckon you, me and Katman are the only ones doing -5 to +4 off the limit.

The others are either -20 under or +10 over.

[Virago]

I reckon you, me and Katman are the only ones doing -5 to +4 off the limit.

The others are either -20 under or +10 over.

That's what makes the lowered tolerance absolute bollocks. It doesn't affect the real speedsters at all, it simply creates a new group of "law-breakers" - the generally law-abiding responsible citizens who may have let their speed drift by a small amount.

In this regard, the lowered tolerance is like the anti-smacking laws - doesn't make a blind bit of difference to the real issues, but makes it look like the authorities are doing something.

In the recent past, the police have claimed credit for a lower road toll, on the basis of the lower speed tolerance. Do you think perhaps they might accept responsibility for "causing" the current high holiday toll...?

[FJRider]

Coming back from Napier after Christmas.
Aware of the reduced tolerance to 104kph from 110kph.
Thought I would take it easy on the Rocket, do a bit of thinking and watch the scenery.
No chance. Even at the limit, and a bit over, every car was soon positioned right on my rear wheel.
All trying to pass at the daftest points.
On the ride in from Napier hills kept thinking bout "riding to the conditions", however the conditions kept changing as every road patch had a different surface, mostly covered in gravel.
So, this 104 bollix is just that, Bollix.
Only thing that kept me going was Fatt Max and "Equal on the Road".

If you stayed within the tolerance ... and survived ... it worked. Nuff said ...

[Harry the Barstard]

If you stayed within the tolerance ... and survived ... it worked. Nuff said ...

Bollocks......Nuff said.

Although, I am glad that hey are targeting people who drive crazy slow more these days. I have no problem if people want to cruise and soak it all in, Just pull over when thee are 15 cars or bikes behind you. Courtesy is an endangered trait.

[Harry the Barstard]

That's what makes the lowered tolerance absolute bollocks. It doesn't affect the real speedsters at all, it simply creates a new group of "law-breakers" - the generally law-abiding responsible citizens who may have let their speed drift by a small amount.

In this regard, the lowered tolerance is like the anti-smacking laws - doesn't make a blind bit of difference to the real issues, but makes it look like the authorities are doing something.

In the recent past, the police have claimed credit for a lower road toll, on the basis of the lower speed tolerance. Do you think perhaps they might accept responsibility for "causing" the current high holiday toll...?

I second this man!!

[BigAl]

That's what makes the lowered tolerance absolute bollocks. It doesn't affect the real speedsters at all, it simply creates a new group of "law-breakers" - the generally law-abiding responsible citizens who may have let their speed drift by a small amount.

In this regard, the lowered tolerance is like the anti-smacking laws - doesn't make a blind bit of difference to the real issues, but makes it look like the authorities are doing something.

In the recent past, the police have claimed credit for a lower road toll, on the basis of the lower speed tolerance. Do you think perhaps they might accept responsibility for "causing" the current high holiday toll...?

+1..........

[FJRider]

Last year the speed limit on the open road was 100 Km's/hr.

This year it's 100 Km's/hr.

This week it's 100 Km's/hr.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED ...

It is up to the discretion of the officer that catches YOU exceeding the speed limit ...

What is written on the ticket that he/she may issue you .... will depend a lot (but NOT always) on the "infamous" attitude test ...

Those that did issue tickets for 104 km's and over ... will continue to do so ... if they choose to ...

But as far as the LAW goes ... NOTHING has changed.

[p.dath]

If you stayed within the tolerance ... and survived ... it worked. Nuff said ...

Does that mean if you didn't stay within the tolerance ... and survived ... that it didn't work?

[FJRider]

Does that mean if you didn't stay within the tolerance ... and survived ... that it didn't work?

The "hidden flaw" in the entire policy ... is there are not enough officers on duty ... in all areas ...

The mental anguish of those lawbreakers will be enough , that they wont consider doing it again ...

[Harry the Barstard]

I dont think anyone is debating that the law has changed. We all recognise that during the holiday seasons the poe reduce the "tollerance" for speeds above 100Kph.

I think the key aspect that is being debated is who and how this lower tollerance is effecting day to day drivers. I think the anti smacking comment was spot on. People who generally abide by the rules are going to the extreem of doing less than 20Kph below the speed limit through fair of being caught.

On the other hand the guys and girls that frequent 130 plus are still doing what they always did. All you have to do is go out on the roas to see this.

I'm not saying that speeding is going to reduce fatal accidents by anymeans........mainly due to me not being a complete idiot. But we need to be weary from saying "oh, look! This guy rode home within the limits and got home safe.....the new tollerance works!!!" Its like how the poe say that in 99% of car accidents, speed was a factor. I was a volly fireman for 4 years and a paid one for three years, in all that time i was never turned out to a motor vechile incident that involed two stationary vechiles!!! Of course speed was a bloody factor!

Just my 10c

[Jay GTI]

In the recent past, the police have claimed credit for a lower road toll, on the basis of the lower speed tolerance. Do you think perhaps they might accept responsibility for "causing" the current high holiday toll...?

Do you think they might also slip a nod of acknowledgement to the positive impacts on the road toll of ABS, air bags, side impact bars, traction control, stability control, impact zones and a whole raft of standard safety features that come with even your Mum's Suzuki Swift these days? Nah, it's all down to the anti-speeding campaigns...

[NONONO]

Does that mean if you didn't stay within the tolerance ... and survived ... that it didn't work?

Luverly logic, absolute gold.
Point is, lowering the "tolerance" has nothing to do with the risk.
Spurious logic.
Hoons still tailgaiting if I do 90 or 120. Road surfaces still piss poor and constantly changing due to piss poor repairs. Still off camber.
Hey, I know...hi vis vests, that will sort it.

[caspernz]

Luverly logic, absolute gold.
Point is, lowering the "tolerance" has nothing to do with the risk.
Spurious logic.
Hoons still tailgaiting if I do 90 or 120. Road surfaces still piss poor and constantly changing due to piss poor repairs. Still off camber.
Hey, I know...hi vis vests, that will sort it.

Speed is only the contributing factor once things go pearshaped. The tailgating thing is what gets me steamed the fastest. But modern bike gloves aren't hurt by cars' sideglass....

The biggest contribution to road safety and lower road toll, apart from technology improvements, is the price of fuel. The higher the price, the fewer vehicles on the road and also fewer kilometres travelled, so naturally fewer accidents. Doesn't take all clowns off the road of course, as the road toll for the holidays to date kinda proves.

[Marmoot]

If you stayed within the tolerance ... and survived ... it worked. Nuff said ...

Post hoc ergo propter hoc