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It's an auction for a front wheel is it not?Originally Posted by breakaway
It's a 'wrecking' auction. It's a matter of time until someone asks for the loom or CDI and gets burned. We all know what saltwater does to electronics and wiring not intended for use in a marine environment
It would only be an 'issue' if he was selling a loom, or similar and not disclosing that it had salt water damage
Highway Biker
Just a thought for consideration here. The wheels are most likely magnesium alloy, correct? Unprotected Magnesium Alloy has a very low resistance, and high rate of corrosion, when exposed to salt. Dissolved Oxygen does not increase the rate, as it does in iron, it actually slows it down. The mag/alloy will protect itself from dissolved oxy by forming a grey powdery protective layer on its surface, which is why salt spray, and salt laden air doesnt adversely affect your wheels and engine cases etc. (providing it's washed off at regular intervals). Mag/Alloys immersed in salt water are not protected in the same way, as dissolved oxygen, while present, is in much lower levels and the alloy cant protect itself to the same degree. As a result, the salts permeate the surface of the metal and begin corroding the alloy from below the surface. This happens at a suprisingy fast rate, and the damage generally cant be seen until the alloy becomes weak and fractures or collapsses under pressure.
Thats for bare, unprotected metal, but if the wheel had any fresh paint damage, and the metal hadnt stated oxidising (i.e.protecting itself) then the immersed salts could have been absorbed, and the damage could well be underway.
Its very, very hard to tell, without metalurgy testing. When buying from wreckers, you're playing russian roulette and trying to balance the odds, but when the prior knowledge is there I would stay away.
Hardcore Biker
Exactly, he should state that it was submerged. It doesn't matter if people think it adversely affects the wheels or not, the consumer should be informed of it. How often would vehicles at the wreckers be from such a situation? I would assume when buying from the wreckers that other parts of the bike had been wrecked, most likely in an accident, maybe from corrosion. But the part I was buying was fine. If the entire reason the bike was being wrecked was due to an ocean submergence I would be bloody pissed off finding out after the fact, especially in an auction situation. Seeing as you will bid more if you think there's nothing wrong with the item.
He's simply money grabbing by withholding information.
mad thou rider
did you bother to read the thread at all?
I was quite clear, but ill say it again.
the guy who is wrecking it went to some effort of his own accord, after purchasing the wreck at auction to contact drunkenmistake (the owner of the bike when it was stolen and dumped in the sea).
the guy said to drunkenmistake, I have bought your bike at auction, what can you tell me about it.
the guy told drunkenmistake that he was a wrecker and intended to sell it for parts, drunkenmistake, upon hearing this, made it very clear about the salt water damage.
a few question have since been asked on the auction that give the opportunity to mention the salt water thing, and it hasnt been mentioned.
the auction says, 'in for wrecking . . . please ask if you want anything else' - pretty clear the whole thing is up for grabs.
anyways, the thread title says POTENTIAL dodgy seller, it was simply a way to let people know the previous condition of the parts being sold.
he might yet be up front if someone wants an electrical item, I guess we will see.
I just thought that I would want to know if I was looking for parts.
you know now, if you want parts anyway, thats cool its your decision, you at least have the full story.
e mare libertas
Doubt it. Aluminium more like.
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- mikey
Fully qualified Sifter.
The only parts (as has been said) I wouldn't personally buy are wiring harnesses etc, the rest will be sweet as after a short swim and a jolly good wash.
Highway Biker
Nope, wont be. Aluminium is too soft for wheels to be made from. Alloys are used because they are harder and more resistant to bumps and knocks etc, whereas straight aluminium will bend and warp, rendering a wheel useless at the first major bump. Mag/Alloy is used primarily because its cheaper than many other, better alloy mixes.
Fully qualified Sifter.
The std wheels may well be a mix, but I very much doubt that mix will have any magnesium in it.
e mare libertas
I wasn't suggesting that they'd be made from pure aluminium.
Most 'mag' wheels these days are made from an alloy based on aluminium, not magnesium (the magnesium ones are a fair bit more expensive). Bike wheels included.
The interwebs are your friend. Google before displaying ignorance. It saves on blushes.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
Highway Biker
Whatever..... Believe what you want...
e mare libertas
Do you really, really think that all cast alloy wheels have magnesium in them?
Would you like to place a bet on this?
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
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Believing is one thing...knowing is another
Fully qualified Sifter.
I've seen a lot of std wheels welded, and if they had magnesium in 'em...I think they would've burned a fair bit brighter than they did!
Hardcore Biker
No matter now he has amended the auction like a good cunt.
"Please note this bike was stolen and dumped in the ocean (as advised by previous owner).All parts have been cleaned.There was no water in Engine or carbs and the engine runs great so dont know if bike was fully submerged or not."
Someone even linked him this thread.
RESULT.
mad thou rider
good result, Im happy as, buyers of parts will be aware and can make an informed decision. good on that guy for ammending the auction instead of deleting everything off the Q&A section,
for the record it was fully underwater, I was there before the salvage guys, I have pics somewhere if I can find them. it was a pretty sad fucking sight after all the hours I spent turning spanners on that bike for the owner!!
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