Chance of a lifetime: YOU can decide on the message that will unite all bikers

[Renegade]

i wont pay my rego/acc and in return i promise not to claim acc if i crash my bike, il use my medical insurance.

"let the riders decide"

[avgas]

Possibly. We're obviously easy enough to roll for an extra few hundred a year, I wonder if it'll be as easy to park us up completely.

I like to hope not. But the general consensus is not promising. Many here don't want to risk $100 + 15 demerits.
Out of interest what was the fine when the helmet law was passed?

[mashman]

Fair calls. But to put it blankly.
We complained - nothing changed.
We protested - nothing happened.
We tried to show that we are people too, acted all nice like - nothing happened.

Apart from us stopping the flow of money. Or riots on the streets. We have nothing. Change of government won't fix this - we simply don't have the numbers.
So pay or not. Bend over

Very true. The flow of money stopping won't work, or at least I can't see it working, more putting more power in "their" hands in terms of dirty biker bastards. Although maybe that's the way it needs to go to show the public how stupid TPTB are... dunno, ohhhhhhh you're conflicting me now, stop it.

[Katman]

One day you dumb fucks will wake up and realise I was right all along.

[BMWST?]

Sorry, but I don't understand which part of this is difficult.
I ride legally.
I have a registered motorcycle that has a WOF. I have a license to ride.
That is enough in my opinion.
The fact that I also have full insurance (that is not mandatory), a clean license and a 30 odd year history of not falling off, not causing mayhem (well 20 years of that one) and not, as some would have it, bleeding the country dry via ACC claims (not a one) is neither here nor there.
I comply with all current legislation.
I firmly believe that we have allowed the legislation to creep up on us, helmets, lights on and the ACC debacle. However, if we are going to make a stand it needs to be about line in the sand stuff.
No more legislation, for any reason. Enough is enough.
No more accepting that we are scape goats and cash cows.
IF legislation is passed it needs to be across the board, all road users should comply.
So, I will ride a day glo bike, when all vehicles are day glo.
I will accept ongoing training and stiffer tests, when all vehicles are subject to the same rules.
I object to raised ACC levies based on lies and opportunistic National Party ideology.
Frankly I would hope and pray, and support any action that makes it more likely, that ACC returns to Woodhouse principles. But I know it's not likely.
Simple message;
Enough is enough, no further.

[Ocean1]

Are you game enough to risk finding out?

Are you man enought to try to stop me?

[jafar]

i wont pay my rego/acc and in return i promise not to claim acc if i crash my bike, il use my medical insurance.

"let the riders decide"

I stand to be corrected on this, but I don't think your medical insurer will pay out for things that ACC would normally pay out for. Like your ride to the horsepiddle in a chopper or ambulance for example. We don't have an opt out provision in the road ACC system, well not a legal one anyway.

Assuming that you don't pay rego & therefor are not paying your way in this system, would you be happy for the first response teams to send the chopper or ambulance back due to your being uninsured via the ACC system ??? Or would you expect to freeload off those that do pay their share (and yours) ??

[Berries]

I still can't work out where I am going to put this bumper sticker.

[Flip]

I still can't work out where I am going to put this bumper sticker.

Hows this one "Katman was right all along, but is still a dick."

[paturoa]

If New Zealand is a free country, then how, come it is costing me more and more to ride my bike?

[Scuba_Steve]

One day you dumb fucks will wake up and realise I was right all along.

Must be about time for your electric shock therapy aint it???

[Fatt Max]

As long as waving remains legal......

FFS, we have thrashed this have we not. We do have the numbers but their opinions, beliefs, sentiments and passions are so divided that we would struggle to agree on a common message, which is rather heartbreaking to say the least.

I have read and re-read the content of this thread and see a number of major points that we could make in our defence and a number of actions that would defend us. It would appear that this forum will not be the catalyst for, at the very least, a basic agreement.

It does, however, present us with a wide and diverse pallet of opinions, views and beliefs on what motorcycling and motorcycles mean to us as our own individual selves.

All I can say is that long may this diversity reign across our community and hopefully one day a worthy soul will have the courage, conviction and tenacity to bring it all together, all for the good of motorcycling.

It is clear that we all love it, lets at least agree not to let our differing opinions cause us to hate it...then TPTB really have won....

[Conquiztador]

As long as waving remains legal......

FFS, we have thrashed this have we not. We do have the numbers but their opinions, beliefs, sentiments and passions are so divided that we would struggle to agree on a common message, which is rather heartbreaking to say the least.

I have read and re-read the content of this thread and see a number of major points that we could make in our defence and a number of actions that would defend us. It would appear that this forum will not be the catalyst for, at the very least, a basic agreement.

It does, however, present us with a wide and diverse pallet of opinions, views and beliefs on what motorcycling and motorcycles mean to us as our own individual selves.

All I can say is that long may this diversity reign across our community and hopefully one day a worthy soul will have the courage, conviction and tenacity to bring it all together, all for the good of motorcycling.

It is clear that we all love it, lets at least agree not to let our differing opinions cause us to hate it...then TPTB really have won....

You would hope that we could agree on a common message. And even if that message might not be everyones favorite, the message would be agreed upon for the common good; So that we could work together on saving motorcycling in NZ from draconian legislation! Because if we do not all agree on saving.... Hang on...

What about: Save Motorcycling

[Madness]

What about: Save Motorcycling

Save our
Arses
From
Excessive
Regulation

[Lelitu]

this thread rather firmly brings to mind the following quote

if we do not hang together, we shall most assuredly hang separately

as for a message that we could unite behind, I am not sure of a good way to word it
however, I suspect a lot more than just bikers could get behind a message aimed at improving driving/riding training for everyone.

unsafe driving isn't just an issue for bikers, so why not make it about that, rather than ACC specifically.