Is it too much to move from a 250 to 1000 right after getting fulls?

[ducatilover]

The simple fact is any of the sprot thou's are way too fast for the road, at least if you have any idea how to make them go properly. How many fresh riders have any idea how to land a 160k plus wheelie when these things stand up at that speed (the 10 does it all the time)??? Or how to stop a highside at these speeds because you've screwed on a bit much throttle in a lower gear than you thought you were in? Or how to take a corner 50kph faster than you thought you'd be going when you got there?
You may say that it only goes as fast as you turn the right handle, but mistakes happen, more so with inexperienced riders. Sport thous are very unforgiving.
As it is with enough rpm even a newer 600 sprot bike is stupidly fast. You just have a BIT more margin for error.

Anyone who can beat me around a track or on the road can argue this with me. There are a few too, but I think most will agree.

You will gain way more skill working your way up, rather than jumping straight on to something that scares your pants off you when ya ride it.

That's my opinion anyway, but us old fella's don't know shit anyhow eh?

The rate those bikes pile on speed accidentally is purely fucked if you're not used to it.
I rode a 'Busa once and the effortless speed it was doing without me realising was stupid. Too much for me at the time (Too much for me now )

Gizz a go on your ten...

[BigAl]

I fully agree with this haha. This exact thing happened to me . However, if money isn't a factor I would still say go for the 600 first. It allows you to become a better and more confident rider before progressing to a 1000cc bike.

+1 definitely believe that one has to build up to get experience, a 1000 sports bike can bite very hard if you cock up.

Plus depending on age check the insurance premiums.

[YellowDog]

just wondering about that for a while would it be a good idea to stop on a 600 before moving to 1000?

Perhaps it is time that a law was passed preventing inexperienced riders upping our ACC levies in this way.

Dude, to ride a 1000cc bike with confidence, you need Waaaay more experience than you will have.

If you claim to be Mr Sensible and will ride your "Death Rocket' like an old granny would, then you are missing the point. Where's the fun in that? Whatever you go for, ride it well and become a better rider. Don't experiment on the public highway - please!

You need heaps more experience before you ride a 1000cc. Take courses, ride lots and see how you get on. You can try a 1000cc in a controlled environment to get some experience and also a better feel for what you might like. You'll save your self heaps of money and possible your life too.

Now if you don't start behaving yourself, I'll tell your Mummy and Daddy what you are up to

[dangerous]

Perhaps it is time that a law was passed preventing inexperienced riders upping our ACC levies in this way.

Yes FARK YES at last some one that gets it, but alas in one ear out the other, those responsable will keep paying for the green.

[gatch]

If you get a litre class sport bike right now, one little fuck up with the throttle will shoot you at a car faster than your anus can suck the vinyl off the seat.

A nice new 600 will get you there almost as quick, but you will have more time to accept your fate and kiss having working limbs goodbye.

Ride something else. A 400 sport bike, a fast 250, a big supermoto, whatever, get some time up.

Or not, ultimately up to you.

[EJK]

You are the captain of your ship.

[superman]

get some time up.

How much time would you need you reckon? I'm going for my full as soon as I'm allowed to, which will be 2 years of riding on a motorcycle. And if continuing as I have been, will have done about 35,000-38,000k's. How many k's you reckon you need under your belt before daring to get near a litre?

I was planning on getting a 600 when I get my full, but would just be interesting to know.

[ducatilover]

How much time would you need you reckon? I'm going for my full as soon as I'm allowed to, which will be 2 years of riding on a motorcycle. And if continuing as I have been, will have done about 35,000-38,000k's. How many k's you reckon you need under your belt before daring to get near a litre?

I was planning on getting a 600 when I get my full, but would just be interesting to know.

Depends on the rider mate, I've done over 200,000 on bikes and don't have a need for the power of a litre bike at all, nor would I trust myself to ride one fast (I reckon I'd be faster on a 600)

[superman]

Depends on the rider mate, I've done over 200,000 on bikes and don't have a need for the power of a litre bike at all, nor would I trust myself to ride one fast (I reckon I'd be faster on a 600)

Consensus seems to be 600's are more nimble, which is by far my want rather than speed. If there was a larger range of new 400cc-500cc sports bikes that would definitely be the sweet point for me.

[YellowDog]

How much time would you need you reckon? I'm going for my full as soon as I'm allowed to, which will be 2 years of riding on a motorcycle. And if continuing as I have been, will have done about 35,000-38,000k's. How many k's you reckon you need under your belt before daring to get near a litre?

I was planning on getting a 600 when I get my full, but would just be interesting to know.

It's all down to the individual. I have friends whom have been riding bikes for years and years, yet the still don't understand countersteering and are not able to identify a reasonably good line when taking bends. They ride their bikes just the same as they drive their cars: But they get by safely. They ride carefully enough for their lack of ability not to matter. I find it hilarous watching them slow down and lean over to make the bike go where they want it to. I have tried helping them, but they are just not interested in improving their riding abilities. That's fine (for them). They're old enough and ugly enough to know better.

An advanced riding course is a great way to get your riding abilities assessed and also to improve enough to be safe on a more powerful bike. A qualified instractor is thre best person to judge whether you already have the skills or can teach you what you will need to know

[FJRider]

Consensus seems to be 600's are more nimble, which is by far my want rather than speed. If there was a larger range of new 400cc-500cc sports bikes that would definitely be the sweet point for me.

Why go for new ... ??? a step up in cc's starts a whole new learning process ...

Something like this maybe ... ??? It will give you a bit of experience on a bigger bike. Even six months on one of these will give you a good prep for a 600 ...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-439342651.htm

[Jantar]

How much time would you need you reckon? I'm going for my full as soon as I'm allowed to, which will be 2 years of riding on a motorcycle. And if continuing as I have been, will have done about 35,000-38,000k's. How many k's you reckon you need under your belt before daring to get near a litre?

I was planning on getting a 600 when I get my full, but would just be interesting to know.

I think you are looking at this the wrong way. rather than consider whether or not you are ready for a thou, ask yourself what type, size and style of bike will suit you best. A 1000cc or bigger bike will be right if you carry heavy load, or if you want to race, or if you are into endurance rides like the TT2000 or Southern Cross. Remember also that a 1000cc bike will go through tyres a lot faster than a smaller bike, and those tyres will cost a lot more. Chains will wear out quicker etc. In other words that bigger bike will cost more to run.

Ask yourself what style of riding you are doing. is it touring? Or is it sports? Or is it commuting?

Rather than go strictly by size try choosing a bike that will suit your usage.

[Gremlin]

How much time would you need you reckon? I'm going for my full as soon as I'm allowed to, which will be 2 years of riding on a motorcycle. And if continuing as I have been, will have done about 35,000-38,000k's. How many k's you reckon you need under your belt before daring to get near a litre?

It's not really about the mileage, especially if it's all under the same circumstances. Let's say you're a fair weather rider (hypothetically, and not you) who rides the same roads all the time, same bike, same speed etc. In complete contrast, you could be an all weather rider, who's ridden plenty of unknown roads (I've come across plenty who ride a road in a way because they "know" the road), perhaps had the odd moment, but learnt how to deal with it.

I've done over 200,000km now, started almost 7 years ago. I went ZZR250, ZX7R, ZX10R, KTM 990SM, BMW R1200GSA. Went all the way up to the 04-05 thou, which was mental and incredibly fun, but all the fun was well over the legal limits, lost my license, and learnt that only seeking speed from riding was a one way trip to a coffin. Riding morphed, started enjoying the roads less travelled, under the limit was fine. Still not riding like a snail, but I haven't seen the high side of probably 150+ in a couple of years (and I'm fine with it).

Riding continues to morph... next is all the adventure roads of NZ. Far more satisfying than seeking an additional 5kph in a corner.

Bike experience... everything from 50cc scooters to an 1800cc cruiser. Long as you're enjoying yourself, it doesn't matter what others think.

[ducatilover]

Consensus seems to be 600's are more nimble, which is by far my want rather than speed. If there was a larger range of new 400cc-500cc sports bikes that would definitely be the sweet point for me.

Nothing wrong with a 600 really, I think mine had enough power for me. You will certainly enjoy one.

[FJRider]

Even keeping the power of a big bike "under control" ... the mere weight of it will chew out tyres faster than the smaller ones.

And should you want to carry a pillion ... some sports bikes are not that comfortable on the back for long ...

Going to rallys ... ??? how much gear will/can you take. (there's not always a back-up vehicle)