Is it too much to move from a 250 to 1000 right after getting fulls?

[Fatjim]

just wondering about that for a while would it be a good idea to stop on a 600 before moving to 1000?

Getting back to the original question.

or: Is a 600 safer than a 1000? Depends on the bike.

Is an R6 safer than a Vstrom? Depends on how long your legs are?

If you are tall, then a bigger bike won't be difficult to handle once you get used to it. If you are short, then it nevers gets totally easy. I have a mate who gave his SV1000 to his missus when he traded up. She came from a CBR250RR. We weren't worried for her, we were worried for the bike and told him so. Sure enough, she drops it a few times because her legs are too short and she doesn't have the strength to stop the bike falling over when it over balances. She now rides a CBR600RR.

If you get a thou, get something tame. The big twins are easy to ride, are not savagely going to highside you off (usually), easy to ride in traffic, etc. they also tend to have a more relaxed sitting position, except for the all out sports bikes like the TL, RSV or 99X/1098s.

[nodrog:Me]

After reading this thread I think the general consensus is, you are better off spending your money on cotton wool and bubble wrap.

[avgas]

I wonder how long the owner of this bike had been riding before deciding it was a good idea to buy a brand new 200hp litre bike?

Hmmmm 1600
Say the shop put on 200
= 1400 / 200...

I estimate around 8-9 hours.

[cowboyz]

the.. it only goes as fast as your hand turns is right.. but then i can go from 110 to 140 without noticeably changing the throttle if not paying attention. learn how to ride a 600 first. I would have got a 600 if i wasnt so egotistical. the extra power of the 1000 does turn into speed anyhow.
twist the throttle on a 600 and you will go fast. twist the throttle on a thou and youll wheelie

[ducatilover]

When recommending he stay with his 250 one thing you over look is that bigger bikes are safer in side winds on the open rd due to their weight. 1000cc is a far too big a jump though.

Most modern thou's weigh the same as a Hyosung GT250R...

I believe they are also commonly used as a penis extender.

Can I get an early R1 then? My knob's pretty little.

[zmlam]

I went from a vtr250 to a sv1000s a week after my full - and have no regrets so far. I initially wasn't going to consider any 1000cc bikes or pure sports bikes due to the much bigger step up in difference of hp, more around 600-750s. In saying so, after testing riding the SV1000s - I found it very manageable; acceleration is hugely different but its very linear (no powerbands, etc - its a sports touring bike), I haven't done anything that has surprised/caught me off guard yet. It is also much lighter (compared to some other 700-1000 bikes), was very surprised just how easy it was to steer for such a big bike. Weight difference between the SV650 and SV1000 is around 20kg. Katanas or the hornet 919 is 210kg+, the SV1000 at 180kg.

Though a few things - I don't race in it (don't do wheelies or ever intend to), I use it primarily for long distance riding with the odd 2-up and luggage (which forums/reviews say the bigger engines are more suited for). I'm certainly still learning and adjusting to it - tight cornering/u-turns is something I am having to re-learn on the bigger and longer and heavier bike.

To me I did weigh up 650-ish vs 1000, and the important factors were (in relation to the SV1000):

• weight - not a huge difference between them - esp the sv1000s is quite light in comparison to other litre engines
• price - petrol consumption isn't all that a huge difference for my type of riding
• power difference - found the sv1000 very manageable - tho the sv1000s is the only 1000cc bike I have test ridden.
• height - all the bikes I looked at are much taller than my vtr250, the sv1000s was same height as sv650. A few odd 600cc bikes were as low as 250cc.
• safety - which is a combination of all the factors above

I actually made an excel sheet of all the 650ish bikes and the lone sv1000 and their specs, and the only factor that stood out considerably was the power. Had to ask myself if I could manage/control the power - and it was yes.

But that's just me..

Enjoy bike hunting - one thing I noticed when I went back to my 250 after test riding 600+ bikes was that the 250 just made a lot of noise but hardly moves!

[Fatjim]

Enjoy bike hunting - one thing I noticed when I went back to my 250 after test riding 600+ bikes was that the 250 just made a lot of noise but hardly moves!

That description could fit any number of things.

[Tigadee]

That description could fit any number of things.

Like a phone sex operator...?

[dangerous]

And in my old car I'd kick your rd350's ass around corners. Who cares? I can destroy harleys through the twisties on my 250, and I dont see them caring.

Ohhh dear... right over ya head mate, ya well off base

[baffa]

Ohhh dear... right over ya head mate, ya well off base

You're the one using a strawman argument to prove getting a thou is silly.

[grbaker]

Hundreds of years ago I went from a GPX250 to a GSR750FL... so from nearly zero BHP to 100BHP, 160kg to 220kg, master of the 250 to complete novice of the 750.

First twist of the throttle leaving the Motorcycle shop sent me screaming across the road with my reactions left far behind.
It is a once in a lifetime thrill... biggest smile in 2 seconds on a new bike ever.

The power, acceleration & weight increase wasn't proportional or expected.

but you've got to do it sometime.... so just be carefull, learn the bike. It won't kill you... your lack of respect & experience on that bike will.

oh and consider why some ubber-sport bikes have rally high insurrance levies.

[skippa1]

I went from a vtr250 to a sv1000s a week after my full I haven't done anything that has surprised/caught me off guard yet.

You would hope not....how long have you had your full and your SV?

[dangerous]

You're the one using a strawman argument to prove getting a thou is silly.

What? ok so that one went over my head

[shrub]

Best bet... no. Don't make such a big jump, it's easier to learn the skills without the huge chunk of horsepower complicating things. A well ridden 600 can be faster than a 1000 in some situations anyway.

Riding safely takes many years to master, so unless you're a freak of nature you have a long way to go. On a 1000 you WILL find yourself going far faster than you intended and most of the time you will be fine, but one day you will almost certainly find yourself in the shit with no options up your sleeve, and that means you will hit something - if you're lucky it will only be the road. When you instinctively know what to do when the back end steps out, the front lifts (or both) and you find yourself well overcooked coming in to a corner, then consider a 1000.

And a 600 sport bike is only slightly slower than a 1000 and in many ways is harder to ride. My advice is to get something like a Street Triple because they are incredibly quick, and believe me, you won't outride the bike, they're not savage the way a 1000 is. You will get a shitload of pleasure but a lot less terror.

[carver]

nope, do it, just respect it, modern 1000s are piss easy to ride and tame when you want them to be, just dont let it fool you into thinking it wont bite you