Should we be changing the Give Way rule? (POLL)

[steve_t]

And the gentlemen that had studied at Sandhurst said to stand with your toes on the white line and to walk slowly forward when they blow the whistles because the artillery will have taken care of the enemy. And even after having surfer the worst casualty rates ever the next day they said the same thing, and the day after and the day after..... because that is what they had been taught and what they did daily.

Ok, I've had been fun. As you were.

You're getting confused between a person who 'studied' and got taught to regurgitate crap and a person who has been taught to analyse data and make decisions based on that data. One person blindly does what they've been told to do (see monkey sprayed with the hose analogy) and the other uses that thing between their ears.

[merv]

Scummy this surfer didn't do too well either http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ectid=10781135

Does road need more electrified stuff like rail to deal with offenders in a way Darwin would be proud of?

As for the rule change, I'm really looking forward to the change as you can tell from my previous comments, and Steve will just have to suck it up .

[oneofsix]

You're getting confused between a person who 'studied' and got taught to regurgitate crap and a person who has been taught to analyse data and make decisions based on that data. One person blindly does what they've been told to do (see monkey sprayed with the hose analogy) and the other uses that thing between their ears.

Nope. I was having fun. But you seem to be of the opinion that traffic engineers, if indeed the people responsible for the fucked up roads are that, are independent thinkers. More likely they are following the "present best practice" or in what is in reality, fashion. Round abouts popped up in perfusion due to this following of fashion.
BTW the great war officers did think and they initially truly thought, based on 'evidence' that what they said would work, they also truly believed that the common soldier couldn't be trusted and must be controlled hence the toeing the line and slow walk.
Current roading thinking is the common motorist can't be trusted and must be controlled.
In both cases arrogance is at play on the behalf of the 'thinker'.

[Sliver]

Well its been 8 pages and a landslide, i really thought it was going to go the other way but i guess in this case change is what the people want.

[rok-the-boat]

I hate the current set up becuae if I leave my left indicator on by mistake it could be a death sentence, which I find a bit harsh.

[TimeOut]

It'll be good, we live on a tourist route and as a result you never rely on them to give way when turning left

[Berries]

I hate the current set up becuae if I leave my left indicator on by mistake it could be a death sentence, which I find a bit harsh.

It still will be, if you are rolling along and there is an intersection on your left and a car wanting to turn right out of it.

[rok-the-boat]

It still will be, if you are rolling along and there is an intersection on your left and a car wanting to turn right out of it.

Not quite, as they don't have right of way, though that is how many of us do get wiped out.

[steve_t]

It still will be, if you are rolling along and there is an intersection on your left and a car wanting to turn right out of it.

Not quite, as they don't have right of way, though that is how many of us do get wiped out.

Nah, Berries is right. If you're heading straight but indicating left, a person coming from the side road on your left would think you're turning left and pull out in front of you. Keep vigilant. Cancel your indicators

[scumdog]

Nah, Berries is right. If you're heading straight but indicating left, a person coming from the side road on your left would think you're turning left and pull out in front of you. Keep vigilant. Cancel your indicators

See it a lot - and not just bikes.

NEVER have faith on an approaching vehicle with left-turn signal going actually turning left...even if you don't end up getting hurt you'll be in the poo for pullng out into the path of the non-turning vehicle.

[Clockwork]

To each his own and all that..but for the life of me - I just can't see why anyone biker or cager, would want to keep the stupid rule that is in place now that means we need eyes looking at our rears to see if traffic is approaching behind before we make a decision to turn left or give way to right turning traffic. How do u guys KNOW that the car behind you is not going to flick on his L indicator the very moment you avert your eyes from him..causing the cager to right turn on top of you as you assume you have the left turn right? Nah. Get rid of it.
Or,...sees you in a cage stuck behind another who wants to turn left and u want to go ahead....in a shared turn and straight ahead lane....waiting, waiting,,...

Erm... simple really, if I'm being followed, I wait (pause to the left side of the road almost inviting him to pass me) then as soon as I see him beside me passing I know its safe to complete my left hand turn legally in his shadow.

[Shadows]

Munters who forget to cancel their indicators rejoice, as it will reduce their chances of being taken out considerably.

[Berries]

But they will still look like a learner.

[steve_t]

Erm... simple really, if I'm being followed, I wait (pause to the left side of the road almost inviting him to pass me) then as soon as I see him beside me passing I know its safe to complete my left hand turn legally in his shadow.

This is exactly one of the problems with the current give way rule. If each day you've got thousands of cars turning left at an intersection pausing, possibly unnecessarily, for even half a second, you've totally screwed the flow of traffic.

[Trade_nancy]

Erm... simple really, if I'm being followed, I wait (pause to the left side of the road almost inviting him to pass me) then as soon as I see him beside me passing I know its safe to complete my left hand turn legally in his shadow.

Exactly - you are part of the problem. Along with the chumps who sit in the left lane on a dual-laner and wait for the right turners coming towards them..instead of going into their left lane and letting the oncoming assume the right lane. Can go through 2 sets of lights waiting for these bozos to move off.