Give Way rule change

**FJRider** · 30th January 2012, 16:17

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

think the "invalid" means it's only ever been registered as a give-way yet a stop has been placed there. Which would mean legally all they did was roll through a falsely advertised give-way.

However I haven't looked into how these sorts of things work so I'm not sure if they can falsely advertise a intersection?
I guess it's possible I mean all these "temp n km/h" signs we get are for while they go through the process of registering that road at the lower speed the sign displays.

If a stop/go sign held at each end of a roadworks IS A LEGAL STOP SIGN ... how you figure, one bolted to a post IS NOT ... is beyond me ...

**Scuba_Steve** · 30th January 2012, 16:24

Originally Posted by FJRider

If a stop/go sign held at each end of a roadworks IS A LEGAL STOP SIGN ... how you figure, one bolted to a post IS NOT ... is beyond me ...

because like the "temp" signs, special exemption has been applied for & granted by the NZTA for the road-workers to be able to display/use them. Without that exemption they are no more legal than you running onto the road & telling people to stop yourself

**scumdog** · 30th January 2012, 16:33

Originally Posted by MSTRS

I know it'll help a whole lot of people who currently live in mortal fear of being caught doing 112kph on a straight, otherwise deserted SH...

"Live in mortal fear"? (That ain't living...)

All I can say is: Fuck there must be a lot of paranoid tossers out there...

**nosebleed** · 30th January 2012, 16:43

Originally Posted by scumdog

"Live in mortal fear"? (That ain't living...)

All I can say is: Fuck there must be a lot of paranoid tossers out there...

Yes, yes there are.
And it's days like today that they're out on the road doing 65kph in an 80 zone with queues of traffic lining up behind them, all because there's a rozzer parked on the side of the road.
The tossers get themselves all flustered and don't know what the hell to do, so they slow down, because that's what all the ad's on TV tell them to do.

Fuck being in a car.

**oldrider** · 30th January 2012, 16:56

Originally Posted by merv

Very happy that you would apply some "education" (by way of ticketing the dumbarses) to get them to understand what they are meant to do.

The next one you could then concentrate on for me is to get everyone to keep left when they aren't passing anyone. The annoying ones are those that just block the right lane like a pace car and sit just a few annoying metres behind the vehicle that they should either be passing or accepting they should pull in behind it and let the traffic trying to go legal speed to go by.

Failure to stay within ones own legal space is the worst offence being committed on our roads throughout the country IMHO!

**Jantar** · 30th January 2012, 17:42

Originally Posted by nosebleed

...And it's days like today that they're out on the road doing 65kph in an 80 zone ....

Guilty. As soon as I see a cop, or my radar detector sounds, I cut the throttle as quickly as I can, then I check to see what speed my radar detector locked on (it has a built in GPS), then I check to see what speed I'm currently doing. Most times I was already legal on detecting the cop, and I have slowed down to way under the speed limit and now have to speed up again.

Paranoid? You bet.

**theseekerfinds** · 30th January 2012, 17:56

a good (non-biker) mate of mine once jokingly said to an officer who was writing out a ticket that he thought that stop meant:

Slow
To
Optional
Pace
the officer laughed but continued writing out the ticket

I do not subscribe to that abbreviation, I drive to the way I was taught (99% of the time) which is to have stopped at a stop sign your car/bike must come to a standstill and allow the front suspension to rebound from compression and settle before moving away from the sign that says stop.. like P. Dath I just don't see why stopping isn't an option.

and it's not like it takes forever to stop and move off again anyway..

I'm for ticketing the people who don't know how to turn, drive, stop, start, steer, put on seatbelts, use indicators, check where their kid's are before reversing, drive pissed, speed up in overtaking lanes to stop you passing, drive 20% below the posted speed limit for prolonged distances holding you and everyone else up... I'll stop there but you get my point

**rastuscat** · 30th January 2012, 18:15

Originally Posted by Berries

Back on topic. Ping the bastards. Although I don't believe Rangiora has any roads with two lanes in the same direction does it? Can they put markings down on gravel these days?

I live in Rangiora, but I work in ChurChur.

It's nice to leave the EQs behind at the end of each day.

**Scuba_Steve** · 30th January 2012, 18:35

Originally Posted by theseekerfinds

I drive to the way I was taught (99% of the time) which is to have stopped at a stop sign your car/bike must come to a standstill and allow the front suspension to rebound from compression and settle before moving away from the sign that says stop.. like P. Dath I just don't see why stopping isn't an option.

and it's not like it takes forever to stop and move off again anyway..

Not a bad way to learn "Stop"
As for why not stop & not taking forever to move off again, thats vehicle dependent. Now before I carry on I do always stop. That being said however.
Close by theres an intersection I have to take, it is a stop but like Berries has mentioned it's one of these stops that just have no reason to & shouldn't exist, it should be a give-way no 2 ways about it. Now 2 of my vehicles, if it was a give-way, would have no problems they could coast through & keep up. However since it is a stop they must come to a stop, once they do taking off again is no quick action. By the time the car just appearing in the distance 500m away is upon me I am only at 2/3 speed, so I am now holding traffic up through no fault of my own (other then owning a couple of slow accelerating vehicles) which would not happen had this intersection been a give-way as it should be.
So yes when stop signs shouldn't exist I do get annoyed (like Berries) but probably nowhere near as annoyed as anyone unlucky enough to be the next vehicle along when I pull out.

**Usarka** · 30th January 2012, 18:47

Originally Posted by Shadows

The thing that worries me most about the upcoming change is that the munters will be concentrating so hard on the application of the new rule that they'll completely forget what give way signs are for.

Give way signs are no longer required. Maybe it's a money saving initiative..

**Berries** · 30th January 2012, 20:17

Bringing it back on topic, here's a good story. The local community newspaper ran a story last week on the changes and what publicity there will be. They topped it off with a photo of two vehicles turning on to the Dunedin one way system where the change has no effect. Little things like this add to the confusion for those who don't understand the basic driving rules.

**FJRider** · 30th January 2012, 20:24

Originally Posted by Usarka

Give way signs are no longer required. Maybe it's a money saving initiative..

They will be replaced by STOP signs ...

**tigertim20** · 30th January 2012, 20:59

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

think the "invalid" means it's only ever been registered as a give-way yet a stop has been placed there. Which would mean legally all they did was roll through a falsely advertised give-way.

However I haven't looked into how these sorts of things work so I'm not sure if they can falsely advertise a intersection?
I guess it's possible I mean all these "temp n km/h" signs we get are for while they go through the process of registering that road at the lower speed the sign displays.

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

because like the "temp" signs, special exemption has been applied for & granted by the NZTA for the road-workers to be able to display/use them. Without that exemption they are no more legal than you running onto the road & telling people to stop yourself

if its there, its legal, temporary or not.
fail to follow it for whatever reason and you are in the wrong.

I duno why people are still trying to debate something that is really quite clear to anybody with half an ounce of common sense - you abide by whatever sign is there whether you like it or not

**Kemet** · 30th January 2012, 21:12

Originally Posted by rastuscat

We've been asked to have another look at hammering the law that says that if you turn into a multi lane road, you have to turn into the adjacent lane i.e. turning left into a dual lane, turn into the left lane, if right, turn into the right lane.

How would you feel if we stopped you and billed you for $150 for turning into the wrong lane?

The new law means that the car turning left into a multi lane can do so without having to worry about the car coming the other way and turning right, as both can go, as always they should have.

What say you?

keep it as it is. it works and makes sense. traffic flows better. of course not everyone knows how the rule works now as it is.