Give Way rule change

[FJRider]

The way I see it, as long as you understand the basics of government, it shouldn't matter who's in power. All the big decisions (everything beyond what the politicians have for lunch) should be decided by binding referendum.

The key word is highlighted ...

Without it ... it is merely a promise, with no promise of action ...

[BMWST?]

I was referring to the people who have asked you to hammer this particular law -

Hardly for crash reduction purposes is it?

its a great practise for good traffic flow when you have streets emptying into a multi laned arterial route,both sets of traffic can turn unimpeded.The alternative is the people turning left wait there like the idiots they are until the light goes red again...

[swbarnett]

The key word is highlighted ...

Without it ... it is merely a promise, with no promise of action ...

Indeed. That one simple change would fix a lot that's wrong with the NZ style of government.

[BMWST?]

Part 1 of the TCD Rule is a bit vague, with Part 4 out later this year which should up date things. So at present, all guidance is contained with MOTSAM Part 1.

Policy: Subject to formal authorization by the controlling authority, RG-5 STOP signs should be erected:

(a) at blind intersections where lack of visibility makes it unsafe to approach the intersection at a speed greater than 10 km/h. Note: It is unsafe to approach an intersection at more than 10 km/h if, from a point 9 metres from the intersection limit line on a controlled approach, a driver cannot see a vehicle on an uncontrolled approach at a distance (metres) of 1.2 times the speed (km/h) exceeded by 15% of vehicles on the priority route,

(b) at intersections of an unusual layout or unusual traffic pattern where it is essential to give one ocntrolled approach priority over another controlled approach. NOTE: The Land Transport (Road User) Rule requires traffic at a STOP sign to give way to traffic from a GIVE WAY sign, and

(c) as part of the RG-32 sign at railway level crossings which are not controlled by automatic alarms or permanent crossing keepers. Refer to Part 9 of the Traffic Control Devices Manual.


And being picky, many Stop signs out there have never been formally authorised by the controlling authority.

you missed one important word

[Scuba_Steve]

Why don't you get into politics then? Because I for one am fuckin tired of you whinging about how anything in this country is.

Go and effect change here, or fuck off some place where you think the powers that be are onto it.

bit of sand in your vagina today huh.

[chasio]

Perhaps. But if you take this:

-- The Herald table was here: Did the * indicate deaths per million of population for all countries. --

And divide it by this:

-- There was nothing there at all... --

It seems to indicate that we're the safest drivers in the OECD

That would surprise me, but perhaps not you!

Where's the chart from, Mr O?

[Ocean1]

That would surprise me, but perhaps not you!

Where's the chart from, Mr O?

Here: http://www.mfe.govt.nz/environmental...led/total-vkt/

It's old data, but I think if anything the latest distance numbers might be higher for NZ.

I'm always deeply suspicious of stat's where whole classes of variable are missing from a composite scale. Point is if overseas deaths per driver are lower than here isn't it natural to ask "how many kilometres do they travel to kill each one?"

We're no worse than most countries for driving behaviour, better data might show that in real terms we have less carnage.

[Drew]

bit of sand in your vagina today huh.

Was having a crack at giving up smoking, which doesn't change what I think, just how I react.

We do live in a democracy by the way. You can tell, because if the likes of yourself or anyone else wanted badly enough to actually change stuff, they could start a political party, and get themselves voted in.

Don't try arguing this by telling me how hard it would be, because what I have said is absolute truth. Untill "hard", becaomes "impossible" at least.

[swbarnett]

We do live in a democracy by the way.

Yes and no.

Democracy in its purest or most ideal form would be a society in which all adult citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives.^[1]

This certainly is not what we have in NZ. It would be more correct to say we have a parliamentary democracy where, unless you are an elected representative, you have no say in the day-to-day running of the country.

^[1]Larry Jay Diamond, Marc F. Plattner (2006). Electoral systems and democracy p.168. Johns Hopkins University Press, 2006.

[FJRider]

Democracy in its purest or most ideal form would be a society in which all adult citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives.^[1]

This certainly is not what we have in NZ. It would be more correct to say we have a parliamentary democracy where, unless you are an elected representative, you have no say in the day-to-day running of the country.

"Ideal forms" of democracy are rare ... and I would like to hear of one such country that has one.

Since few would argue ... that ALL citizens in THIS country ARE capable of making the necessary decisions, to ensure a harmonious ... and unaminous ... outcome. The people vote in representitives to make such decisions on their behalf.

If (any)one can't correctly choose ... or fully trust ... those elected to serve their interests ... one might argue they are not fit to make final political decisions in the first place ...

Perhaps a test on mental capacity/health ... before being allowed to vote ...

[swbarnett]

"Ideal forms" of democracy are rare ... and I would like to hear of one such country that has one.

Agree, they are rare. The only complete one I know of is an autonomous Buddhist monestary. However, there are definitly countries that are closer than we are.

Since few would argue ... that ALL citizens in THIS country ARE capable of making the necessary decisions, to ensure a harmonious ... and unaminous ... outcome. The people vote in representitives to make such decisions on their behalf.

The problem with that is that you get to vote once every few years based on whatever issues are made topical by the parties and the rest get fogotten. Far better to have "governers" rather than politicians and give every political decision to those the people.

If (any)one can't correctly choose ... or fully trust ... those elected to serve their interests ... one might argue they are not fit to make final political decisions in the first place ...

You're kidding right?

Do you honestly trust our current batch of politicians to have our best interests at heart at all times? All they really care about is getting their own agenda progressed and getting re-elected.

Perhaps a test on mental capacity/health ... before being allowed to vote ...

No, just encourage people not to vote if they truly don't care about the issue.

[FJRider]

You're kidding right?

No, just encourage people not to vote if they truly don't care about the issue.

In the last election .. about 50% voted ... too many, or not enough .... ???

[Mully Clown]

I've got a great way of hitting home the importance of staying within your lane. It will cause a lot of paperwork, piss people off and probably annoy the insurance companies as well.

1. Take a typical intersection of this format (example):
   Single (left turning) lane and opposing Double (right turn, right straight) lane road, both turning into a three lane road.
   
   
2. Put up a green left-turn arrow, green right-turn arrow and a green straight-ahead light. Wait for the mayhem.

[swbarnett]

In the last election .. about 50% voted ... too many, or not enough .... ???

Depends. How many of those that voted actually had an opinion about the issues and weren't just voting the way they or their parents always have?

In Switzerland the turnout for a general election was (from memory) about 20%. I believe that those 20% actually knew what they were voting for.

[Drew]

In Switzerland the turnout for a general election was (from memory) about 20%. I believe that those 20% actually knew what they were voting for.

That's an oxymoron. No one can know what they are actually voting for when it comes to politicians.