Hmm. I've had a change of attitude on this hi-viz thing

**James Deuce** · 17th March 2012, 14:55

Originally Posted by Usarka

+1

Every one reckons the risks they take are ok, and the safety measures they take should be compulsory.

I don't. All "safety" measures are fundamentally pointless in regard to riding a motorcycle. State sponsored legal compulsion has a name. It kind of escapes me. Begins with "F", ends with stifling creativity, difference and ultimately killing people who don't meet the legal definition of "normal".

Most people who post here have access to the stats around motorcycle gear and the injuries it mitigates, and stories of the repercussions of "getting it wrong".

The constant bleating for yet more legislation is getting old. After being muntered a few times, I firmly believe that most of the motivation for "improving" motorcycle safety comes from a combination of the anti-motorcycle lobby and gear manufacturers trying to sell ever more complex protection "systems".

Sort your own limits out, stop lecturing people. IT'S BORING!

**Ocean1** · 17th March 2012, 15:07

Originally Posted by James Deuce

I don't. All "safety" measures are fundamentally pointless in regard to riding a motorcycle. State sponsored legal compulsion has a name. It kind of escapes me. Begins with "F", ends with stifling creativity, difference and ultimately killing people who don't meet the legal definition of "normal".

Compulsion sponsered by anyone has a name starting with F.

Ends with OFF.

It the sponser's persistent he gets punctuation, too.

**Bass** · 17th March 2012, 15:12

Originally Posted by James Deuce

After being muntered a few times, IT'S BORING!

I suspect that it may be "munted" that you mean.
As I recall, Munter was a big solid lad with a reputation for being rather well equipped. So if I am in fact wrong and you have indeed been muntered, I hope that it wasn't too uncomfortable and wonder when you got your Honda?

**James Deuce** · 17th March 2012, 16:03

Originally Posted by Bass

I suspect that it may be "munted" that you mean.
As I recall, Munter was a big solid lad with a reputation for being rather well equipped. So if I am in fact wrong and you have indeed been muntered, I hope that it wasn't too uncomfortable and wonder when you got your Honda?

It's about time someone paid attention!

**NONONO** · 17th March 2012, 19:41

Originally Posted by James Deuce

I don't. All "safety" measures are fundamentally pointless in regard to riding a motorcycle. State sponsored legal compulsion has a name. It kind of escapes me. Begins with "F", ends with stifling creativity, difference and ultimately killing people who don't meet the legal definition of "normal".

Most people who post here have access to the stats around motorcycle gear and the injuries it mitigates, and stories of the repercussions of "getting it wrong".

The constant bleating for yet more legislation is getting old. After being muntered a few times, I firmly believe that most of the motivation for "improving" motorcycle safety comes from a combination of the anti-motorcycle lobby and gear manufacturers trying to sell ever more complex protection "systems".

Sort your own limits out, stop lecturing people. IT'S BORING!

And totally fking pointless, oh, already said, sorry.
Safety Nazis, interestingly mostly the people that bleat bout the Nanny State.

**Fatt Max** · 17th March 2012, 19:56

Couldn't give a flying fuck to be honest

I am a big fat bastard and if you cant see me you are blind...

All high viz will do is turn me into a Team NZ spinnaker, and I have enough of them for underpants.......

**Oakie** · 17th March 2012, 20:34

Originally Posted by James Deuce

All "safety" measures are fundamentally pointless in regard to riding a motorcycle.

Helmets are pointless?
Boots are pointless?
Abrasion resistant jackets and pants are pointless?
'Armour' is pointless?
Gloves are pointless?
Headlights on is pointless?

Gotta be careful with those sweeping generalisations fella. Sure, my list won't help you ride but you'll be greatful for the first five when you slide.

**Usarka** · 17th March 2012, 20:42

Originally Posted by Oakie

Helmets are pointless?
Boots are pointless?
Abrasion resistant jackets and pants are pointless?
'Armour' is pointless?
Gloves are pointless?
Headlights on is pointless?

Gotta be careful with those sweeping generalisations fella. Sure, my list won't help you ride but you'll be greatful for the first five when you slide.

Cars are pointless?

**Fatt Max** · 17th March 2012, 20:55

Circumcision is pointless......

**James Deuce** · 17th March 2012, 21:11

Originally Posted by Oakie

Helmets are pointless?
Boots are pointless?
Abrasion resistant jackets and pants are pointless?
'Armour' is pointless?
Gloves are pointless?
Headlights on is pointless?

Gotta be careful with those sweeping generalisations fella. Sure, my list won't help you ride but you'll be greatful for the first five when you slide.

Yes. None of those things are anything but token protection for a sack of water that is designed to absorb impacts up to 18km/hr without mortal injury. Over that speed, it's a crap shoot as to how it turns out.

**Oakie** · 17th March 2012, 22:13

Point taken. None of it will help if you collide with a wall at 200kph. It'll all help if you slide down the road at 100kph though.
We are fragile but if the circumstances aren't extreme, the safety gear I listed will at least minimise the effect.

**Berries** · 17th March 2012, 22:15

Originally Posted by Oakie

Helmets are pointless?
Boots are pointless?
Abrasion resistant jackets and pants are pointless?
'Armour' is pointless?
Gloves are pointless?
Headlights on is pointless?

Gotta be careful with those sweeping generalisations fella. Sure, my list won't help you ride but you'll be greatful for the first five when you slide.

If.

I wear a helmet because it is the law. And stuff hurts when it hits your head at high speed so I would wear one anyway.

I wear gloves because they keep my hands warm. And stuff hurts when it hits your hands at high speed.

I have headlights on because they are wired on. Bastards.

JD was right, all safety features are fundamentally pointless when it comes to riding on two wheels. You know the one thing I am sure I would have been grateful for "when" I slide?

A car.

**quickbuck** · 17th March 2012, 22:25

Originally Posted by Berries

If.

You know the one thing I am sure I would have been grateful for "when" I slide?

A car.

Well.... Personally I wouldn't be....
IF, I was to have a slide, the last thing I want anywhere near me is a car.........

See what I did there

Taking things out of context like Close-up since ages ago...

**Berries** · 18th March 2012, 21:48

Did I say that people who ride around with their headlights on full beam are arrogant wankers?

I meant to, after having one behind me today. I mean, if you are that concerned about your own safety that you are wiling to piss off and annoy every other road user you'd be better off with a nice safe car.