4kmh tolerance for Waitangi Weekend until 29 February?

[BoristheBiter]

Not really. I just wanted to build on your theme.

The whole 4 k tolerance thing is a joke. Right now it has shock value and people get nervous and slow down but once they make it standard the human reaction will be to adapt and ignore, as we do with living on earthquake faults or volcanoes or even inside volcanic craters. It will become a case of "in for a penny, in for a pound". So I get a couple of demerits and a fine for 5k over or I get a few more demerits and pay a bit more for 10k over either way I stand no more chance of being pinged than before so what f.... and if the choice is between watching the needle as I go over the raise or watching out for the hidden driveway, parked car, or u-turning cop (had to have a dig) the speedo comes last.

I don't disagree, i haven't slowed down.

I do wish they would just leave it the fuck alone. 4k or 10k tolerance i don't care, just choose one and use it.

And I wish there reason would be "because we said so", no wishy-washy bollocks.

[rastuscat]

It's the shock value that makes the difference. Once we're all used to it, like, once we get blase about it, what next?

[MSTRS:Me]

It's the shock value that makes the difference. Once we're all used to it, like, once we get blase about it, what next?

I'm thinking about starting a business. Making red flags. Oh - and training men to walk whilst carrying one.
By the time TPTB bring it in, I'll have the market cornered.

[Zedder]

It's the shock value that makes the difference. Once we're all used to it, like, once we get blase about it, what next?

Do something really bizarre like increasing the speed limit for heavy vehicles while reducing it for all others with less momentum.

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm thinking about starting a business. Making red flags. Oh - and training men to walk whilst carrying one.
By the time TPTB bring it in, I'll have the market cornered.

and this will really help keep down the accidents/deaths cause by the time it comes around the costs of certs & OSH etc will be such that the only ones able to afford this service will be the 1%ers so thats like what? 70 people on the road?

[Zedder]

and this will really help keep down the accidents/deaths cause by the time it comes around the costs of certs & OSH etc will be such that the only ones able to afford this service will be the 1%ers so thats like what? 70 people on the road?

That's precisely why we need you in power Scube!

[oneofsix]

It's the shock value that makes the difference. Once we're all used to it, like, once we get blase about it, what next?

enforcing the road rules? The little things like correct lane use, correct indication etc. Make people realise that you have to actually drive and not just sit there and steer. Make them realise that driving is an activity not passive. That the arbitrary speed limit isn't the only thing to worry about and perhaps they will then notice that there are other people on the road, not just vehicles. Shit it would cost me a fortune.

[Zedder]

enforcing the road rules? The little things like correct lane use, correct indication etc. Make people realise that you have to actually drive and not just sit there and steer. Make them realise that driving is an activity not passive. That the arbitrary speed limit isn't the only thing to worry about and perhaps they will then notice that there are other people on the road, not just vehicles. Shit it would cost me a fortune.

Whoa OO6, one step at a time, he's meeting with the big guys tomorrow let him sort out that issue out first.

[rastuscat]

enforcing the road rules? The little things like correct lane use,indicating...........

Whoa!! I work on a section that targets shitty driving. Out if interest, speed is way down or list of priorities.

It's hard to get my troops to target lane driving and indicating, coz the penalty is disproportionate to the offence. $150 would surely start a few threads about revenue collecting.

My troops are a reflection of the society from which they are drawn, as am I. Nobody seems to take the lane thing or indicating seriously, it's a culture in this country.

Any time I ask the troops to do something I have to sell it to them, unless it's firmly common sense, like catching a drunk, dangerous or disqualified driver. People feel good about arresting a thief, impounding a car seen doing a burnout, all the stuff that makes us feel good. It's a different story about charging someone $150 for not indicating. It's hard to feel good about that.

It's easy to stand back and tell someone that it's what they're paid for, just do it, but that's ignoring the humanity of the situation.

We have a bit of a policy where if someone doesn't indicate and we actually stop them (rare), they only get a ticket if they actually inconvenienced someone i.e. pissed someone off. Same with lane driving; if they impede someone by using the wrong lane when turning, maybe a ticket happens. Otherwise it either gets ignored or warned.

Just my thoughts.

[rastuscat]

Whoa OO6, one step at a time, he's meeting with the big guys tomorrow let him sort out that issue out first.

Yup. Hoping to make a change there, so I'll leave changing the world for later.

[Zedder]

Yup. Hoping to make a change there, so I'll leave changing the world for later.

Good on you and I mean that. It's the most positive thing I've seen coming from Police on this site.

[Scuba_Steve]

Whoa!! I work on a section that targets shitty driving. Out if interest, speed is way down or list of priorities.

It's hard to get my troops to target lane driving and indicating, coz the penalty is disproportionate to the offence. $150 would surely start a few threads about revenue collecting.

My troops are a reflection of the society from which they are drawn, as am I. Nobody seems to take the lane thing or indicating seriously, it's a culture in this country.

Any time I ask the troops to do something I have to sell it to them, unless it's firmly common sense, like catching a drunk, dangerous or disqualified driver. People feel good about arresting a thief, impounding a car seen doing a burnout, all the stuff that makes us feel good. It's a different story about charging someone $150 for not indicating. It's hard to feel good about that.

It's easy to stand back and tell someone that it's what they're paid for, just do it, but that's ignoring the humanity of the situation.

We have a bit of a policy where if someone doesn't indicate and we actually stop them (rare), they only get a ticket if they actually inconvenienced someone i.e. pissed someone off. Same with lane driving; if they impede someone by using the wrong lane when turning, maybe a ticket happens. Otherwise it either gets ignored or warned.

Just my thoughts.

Well you should be handing out those warnings, alot of it comes down to ignorance. Hell even a few on here think it's fine to be in the right lane if on a motorway (FYI for those people, it's not! Keep left) so you should be informing as many as you can of the law, after all there's no quotas to worry bout right??? So handing out advice rather than tickets shouldn't affect you none. Also with today's tech you can record them for 1st time warning 2nd time ticket.
As for 150$ not indicating, that's more justified than the speed scam or belt law. But I get the point about "only if it inconvenienced someone" it gets harder to justify it on a "dead road" (I won't mention that other "law" here).

[rastuscat]

Also with today's tech you can record them for 1st time warning 2nd time ticket.

You'd think so, wouldn't you. There isn't a system for recording warnings, so it's hard to know if it's the first time they've been dealt with.

[Gremlin]

It's hard to get my troops to target lane driving and indicating, coz the penalty is disproportionate to the offence. $150 would surely start a few threads about revenue collecting.

My troops are a reflection of the society from which they are drawn, as am I. Nobody seems to take the lane thing or indicating seriously, it's a culture in this country.
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We have a bit of a policy where if someone doesn't indicate and we actually stop them (rare), they only get a ticket if they actually inconvenienced someone i.e. pissed someone off. Same with lane driving; if they impede someone by using the wrong lane when turning, maybe a ticket happens. Otherwise it either gets ignored or warned.

That's where it starts I reckon. Don't tackle every minor instance immediately (although I wouldn't mind so much) simply because of the backlash. Start with the bad ones, barely staying within the lane (or not at all), clearly not demonstrating their mind is on driving, and over time things will get better. The "culture" exists simply because people continue to get away with it. Hell, it won't change over night, but at least if everyone is on the right track.

[FJRider]

We have a bit of a policy where if someone doesn't indicate and we actually stop them (rare), they only get a ticket if they actually inconvenienced someone i.e. pissed someone off. Same with lane driving; if they impede someone by using the wrong lane when turning, maybe a ticket happens. Otherwise it either gets ignored or warned.

Just my thoughts.

Funny how ... not that many years back. THAT same policy ... was on speed.

Some may see your attitude of which laws you choose to enforce, similar to the attitude those that choose which one's they ignore ...

Simply because it wasn't hurting anybody ...