4kmh tolerance for Waitangi Weekend until 29 February?

[RDJ]

Has revenue doubled in the last 12 months? I'd be interested to see where that stat came from.

Check your inbox - that was from Paula Rose on Sep 11, 2011

The number of speeding tickets handed out last year was nearly double the amount issued the previous year, police figures reveal.

Police gave out 627,948 tickets for speeding infringements in 2010, compared to 329,838 in 2009.

The 2010 figure was more than 200,000 above the four year average for tickets issued.

In the first four months of this year, the country's 55 cameras had captured 200,671 incidents of speeding.

- National road policing manager Superintendent Paula Rose

[RDJ]

That's called discretion.
They were above the speed limit, so they are legally sanctioned.

Yon cry about having a tolerance, not having a tolerance, the tolerance is too high, the tolerance is to low.

if you speed expect a ticket, end of story.

Not crying Boris - just expecting the same level of tolerance to be applied to all facets of enforcement. I am sure you understand the concept, you just choose to answer glibly. If I speed and get pinged yes I expect a ticket. When a house is burgled or - far worse - a child is attacked, I expect the same prompt no-tolerance enforcement. As do most taxpayers. We aren't seeing that happen.

[Scuba_Steve]

From the Harold...............Clive Matthew-Wilson, editor of the Dog and Lemon Guide, agreed, saying the majority of fatal crashes occur at speeds below the legal limit.

So, based on that, we should encourage everyone to drive in excess of the speed limit. No crashes would happen.

Wot?

Well Silly Sausage (I believe that's what you said you liked to be called now?) your onto it, that's what it would mean if we used the same bad methods as the Govt

[riffer]

Okay, firstly, Police have announced a U-turn on their announcement:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/mo...ding-tolerance

Secondly, consider this: If Police were to announce that they were going to remove the concept of tolerance, and it was up to the individual officer to use their discretion, how many of you would go faster and expect they'd be able to talk their way out of a ticket? Lots, I bet.

Thirdly, consider this: If it were announced that there was to be NO tolerance at all, which effectively reduced the speed limit to 95 km/hr, as no-one would want a ticket, what's the likelihood that the majority of crashes would start happening at a slower speed?

Now some might say that's a good thing, but consider this as well: A substantial amount of fatal injuries would be turned into survivable, not serious ones by as little as a 5km/hr reduction in average speeds. Think of the effect on the costs to ACC of this.

[Clockwork]

Imagine that, a bike cop helping someone change a tyre. He must have charged for the service, coz all Popos do is revenue gathering. I know it's true, I read it on KB.

I suspect he was actually just checking the spare's tread depth.

[Bassmatt]

Imagine that, a bike cop helping someone change a tyre. He must have charged for the service, coz all Popos do is revenue gathering. I know it's true, I read it on KB.

Well there is a distinct similarity in shape to a donut

[BoristheBiter]

Not I, my friend. You think I've been an absolute angel for the last 15 years...

The dumb one is the one that says "If you speed, you get a ticket"

When a brighter person would actually know that "If you speed, you risk getting a ticket, if you are spotted"

and even a brighter person would say "if you speed you will only get a ticket if caught"

[BoristheBiter]

Not crying Boris - just expecting the same level of tolerance to be applied to all facets of enforcement. I am sure you understand the concept, you just choose to answer glibly. If I speed and get pinged yes I expect a ticket. When a house is burgled or - far worse - a child is attacked, I expect the same prompt no-tolerance enforcement. As do most taxpayers. We aren't seeing that happen.

I think you are being very hard on police as 99% you never see what goes on. Tolerance and discretion are two completely separate issues.
IMO its the courts that aren't doing their jobs by letting crim's back onto the street to re-offend.

Two burglars from the Rodney area have just been put away and the burglary's have dropped by 3/4.
Now when they get out it will go back up as they will just go back to what they were doing before. The cops that put them away will have to spend all that time doing it all again.
Now if the courts did their job and not let them back out in the first place, not only would you see a dramatic drop in burglary's but the cops could spend more time on practical work like eating donuts.

A bit off topic sorry.

[MSTRS:Me]

and even a brighter person would say "if you speed you will only get a ticket if caught"

You what? Are you thick? No - wait - don't answer that...your next post shows that there is some neurological activity going on.

[RDJ]

I think you are being very hard on police as 99% you never see what goes on. Tolerance and discretion are two completely separate issues.
IMO its the courts that aren't doing their jobs by letting crim's back onto the street to re-offend.

A bit off topic sorry.

I'm not trying to be very hard on the police - they have a very difficult job (as do others, their job is not uniquely difficult and just like the rest of us, they all volunteer to do what they do). But it's pretty difficult to even get a burglar or a potential murderer to court when the police decide simply not to show up... or wait until after everybody has got their story agreed upon / while cautioning the rest of us not to jump to conclusions. BTW - those of us who deal with people whose behaviour intersects with the police, see a lot more than the 1% you suggest.

I completely agree with you about the frequent laxity shown by the courts. About the only time the judges "throw away the key" is when one of their own is attacked.

[BoristheBiter]

I'm not trying to be very hard on the police - they have a very difficult job (as do others, their job is not uniquely difficult and just like the rest of us, they all volunteer to do what they do). But it's pretty difficult to even get a burglar or a potential murderer to court when the police decide simply not to show up... or wait until after everybody has got their story straight / while cautioning the rest of us not to jump to conclusions. BTW - those of us who deal with people whose behaviour intersects with the police, see a lot more than the 1% you suggest.

I completely agree with you about the frequent laxity shown by the courts. About the only time the judges "throw away the key" is one of their own is attacked.

Really,unless its a "burgs on" there is very little chance of catching someone and with the small police force we have its a wounder they do as well as they do.
As you are well aware it's not like it is on CSI.
There is a little thing called due process and if it isn't carried out the case just gets thrown out.

And look at the Kahui twins, a jury found her not guilty when she was just as guilty. if people don't want to talk or will just lie there is not much the police can do.

[BoristheBiter]

You what? Are you thick? No - wait - don't answer that...your next post shows that there is some neurological activity going on.

More than could be said for you

[shrub]

I completely agree with you about the frequent laxity shown by the courts. About the only time the judges "throw away the key" is one of their own is attacked.

the thing is, if you look anywhere in the world all tougher sentences do is increase the crime rate, but they make the middle class feel a lot happier because at long last the authorities are Doing Something About It and are Getting Tough On Crime. Which is where speeding comes in.

Sure, speed does have a relationship with risk and probability of crashing, but to what extent is it a causal relationship? If you listen to the PR department of the police you'd be forgiven for thinking that there is a near 100% correlation, and that there is an actual point at which speed becomes dangerous. The relationship is real, just like the relationship between me being a slow rider and my bike - if I rode a superbike I would be faster, but my low speed is caused by my bike, my skill level, my fear of falling over etc, but the biggest cause is my fear of pain.

I get annoyed when Our Beloved Leaders and their Noble Servants The Cuntstables tell us how speed is killing us, and if they can only stop people speeding the crash rate would plummet to 2.3 people a year because it's mostly bollocks. There are a hundred reasons Johnny Dickhead wiped himself out, and speed is only one of them, but it's the one being targeted because it's easy and popular.

It's easy because a simple piece of electronic equipment fitted to most cop cars can tell you that I was doing EXACTLY 61 kmh in a 50k zone, and it's impossible to argue against. I may have been driving impeccably, but I had crossed a line and must be punished for my miscreancy. It's a hell of a lot harder to identify that Mary Pajero was busy wiping little Tarquin's botty when she should have been driving or had spent the last 5 seconds covering several hundred feet blind because she was changing the CD in her stereo. It's bloody hard to pick up when people tailgate, don't indicate, don't pay attention or any one of the many other things that cause crashes, and even harder to prove, so popo can't be arsed.

And it's popular because it doesn't affect 99% of car drivers. Cars aren't as fast as bikes and aren't as easy to drive fast, and more importantly the majority of citizens don't have any desire to drive faster than 100 kmh, so they will rarely, if ever, experience a speeding ticket. The people who speed are us because it is bloody hard not to go over 110 kmh on a lot of bikes and the small number of car drivers who speed, most of whom are bogans and boy racers.

And nobody gives a fuck about what we think because we simply don't matter to TPTB.

[MSTRS:Me]

More than could be said for you

And you have obviously been exposed to the party line for so long that you are losing the power of reasoning outside the square, and incapable of recognising the ability in others who can...

[RDJ]

And nobody gives a fuck about what we think because we simply don't matter to TPTB.

Yea, verily!