4kmh tolerance for Waitangi Weekend until 29 February?

[mossy1200]

$26 to process your ticket.......ka ching........$4 into the consolidated fund. Well worth collecting.

If we all donate $4 each will the madness stop?

[FJRider]

If we all donate $4 each will the madness stop?

As long as some will continue to donate more than their share ... No ...

[Drew]

I still get a laugh from this thread.

Can everyone agree that there needs to be a speed limit, and the reason for it is the safety of road users? I doubt anyone can argue with that.

Someone will probably mention self regulated speeds like there are in places in Europe, they are fuckin retards if they think it would work on our roads.

I just don't understand how anyone can then moan about the tollerance given over and above the LIMIT. Do we need to have a definition of the word 'LIMIT' under every speed sign?

[Shadows]

I just don't understand how anyone can then moan about the tollerance given over and above the LIMIT. Do we need to have a definition of the word 'LIMIT' under every speed sign?

I only use the signs as a guide to the fine which could potentially be incurred for the speed I'm doing if a cop spots me before I spot him or if I pass a speed camera.

Still, I suppose that means that I do understand them.

[Scuba_Steve]

I still get a laugh from this thread.

Can everyone agree that there needs to be a speed limit, and the reason for it is the safety of road users? I doubt anyone can argue with that.

Someone will probably mention self regulated speeds like there are in places in Europe, they are fuckin retards if they think it would work on our roads.

I just don't understand how anyone can then moan about the tollerance given over and above the LIMIT. Do we need to have a definition of the word 'LIMIT' under every speed sign?

Everyone could argue with that, theres little to no truth in it

As for tolerances, it's not them I have a problem with directly. It's the inforcement of the speed scam itself I have issue with.

[blackdog]

Sorry Steve I'm with Drew on this one. The last thing any of us wants is every fucking retard with a cereal box license doing whatever speed they like. A fair percentage of them are incompetent at well below the posted limit as it is.

[Scuba_Steve]

Sorry Steve I'm with Drew on this one. The last thing any of us wants is every fucking retard with a cereal box license doing whatever speed they like. A fair percentage of them are incompetent at well below the posted limit as it is.

well guess that shows not everyone would argue, but still everyone could argue.
Fact remains If I ever got control of the roads I would be changing all signs to yellow ('cept maybee CBD ones?) as drivers should be thinking for themselves (which is part the problem, these "cereal box licences" usually come about because signs are doing all the thinking for them) & you are either dangerous or your not. The speed you travel at has little bearing on that & while some might argue "people that are dangerous, faster speed bigger crash thing" past about 60km/h your getting into "fucked either way territory" so 100km/h, 120km/h theres gonna be little to no difference in the real world.

People are better at self regulation than given credit, but with all these signs round why think for yourself? the more the roads tell people what to do the worse the drivers get. Anyone thats seen the uptake of traffic lights over the years should know this, especially when those lights blink orange.

[BoristheBiter]

well guess that shows not everyone would argue, but still everyone could argue.
Fact remains If I ever got control of the roads I would be changing all signs to yellow ('cept maybee CBD ones?) as drivers should be thinking for themselves (which is part the problem, these "cereal box licences" usually come about because signs are doing all the thinking for them) & you are either dangerous or your not. The speed you travel at has little bearing on that & while some might argue "people that are dangerous, faster speed bigger crash thing" past about 60km/h your getting into "fucked either way territory" so 100km/h, 120km/h theres gonna be little to no difference in the real world.

People are better at self regulation than given credit, but with all these signs round why think for yourself? the more the roads tell people what to do the worse the drivers get. Anyone thats seen the uptake of traffic lights over the years should know this, especially when those lights blink orange.

Fuck you are such a retard, self regulation tui ad anyone.

The limit is not just there for if you hit something or something hits you.
Try getting out of a rear slide at 100 and then try it at 150. then come back to me and say there is no difference.
If you make a mistake at 100 chances are you can recover before you crash into something or someone. Above that you have less time not only to react but less time to overcome what has gone wrong.
And as said above its not just your fantastic riding skills we are taking about, its the Muppet in the SUV that has just taken the corner to fast and is now on your side of the road.

[RDJ]

I still get a laugh from this thread.

Can everyone agree that there needs to be a speed limit, and the reason for it is the safety of road users? I doubt anyone can argue with that.

Someone will probably mention self regulated speeds like there are in places in Europe, they are fuckin retards if they think it would work on our roads.

I just don't understand how anyone can then moan about the tollerance given over and above the LIMIT. Do we need to have a definition of the word 'LIMIT' under every speed sign?

Certainly no-one who by your definition is a fuckin retard, will take the time to argue with you Drew.

[Scuba_Steve]

Try getting out of a rear slide at 100 and then try it at 150. then come back to me and say there is no difference.
If you make a mistake at 100 chances are you can recover before you crash into something or someone. Above that you have less time not only to react but less time to overcome what has gone wrong.

God & you call me a retard
Let me know when your willing to demonstrate this, I got a YouTube channel just waiting for a video of "idiot trying to show how to recover loss of rear traction at 100km/h on NZ roads"

[steve_t]

Didn't the Aussie NT show that people actually did self-regulate? And that after they imposed speed limits, accidents actually increased?

[Jay GTI]

I still get a laugh from this thread.


I just don't understand how anyone can then moan about the tollerance given over and above the LIMIT. Do we need to have a definition of the word 'LIMIT' under every speed sign?

I still get a laugh from people who think not speeding is that simple.

There is a tolerance for a good reason, which is because in the normal day to day act of driving, it is impossible to stick to exactly the speed limit for the entire duration of the journey. You could argue that in order to maintain your own tolerance, just in case you should get speed creep, you should drive slightly below the speed limit. Do this and enjoy the bad driving you'll witness from other drivers, frustrated by your cruising around at 45, 90 or what ever. Hopefully you won't cause an accident in the process.

Where I understand the frustration comes from, is that if the widely accepted tolerance for 100kph sppeed limits is 15kph, then people (not all, but some) just drive at 115kph. So, in the war on speed (cos speed kills, kids), we get these nice little reminders that we shouldn't take the 15kph tolerance as the new speed limit and so have little holiday periods where the tolerance is widely accepted to be 4kph. Trouble is, if you're trying to maintain exactly 100kph for any length of time, that 4% tolerance is pretty difficult. So you get pinged. For doing something that not even cops can honestly manage.

[quickbuck]

Well I got my first speeding ticket ever (13 years driving/riding) in the mail yesterday. 56km/h in a 50 zone in Bulls somewhere.

Yup, apparently the mrs was going past that camera at 60 on the 11th too....... Wasn't me, as I would have been doing 145 on Taupo about that time.... (Yes the race track).
Yes, still $30....
AND we are local.... I think it must have been about 20 metres from the coffee stand

[FJRider]

I still get a laugh from people who think not speeding is that simple.

There is a tolerance for a good reason, which is because in the normal day to day act of driving, it is impossible to stick to exactly the speed limit for the entire duration of the journey. You could argue that in order to maintain your own tolerance, just in case you should get speed creep, you should drive slightly below the speed limit. Do this and enjoy the bad driving you'll witness from other drivers, frustrated by your cruising around at 45, 90 or what ever. Hopefully you won't cause an accident in the process.

Where I understand the frustration comes from, is that if the widely accepted tolerance for 100kph sppeed limits is 15kph, then people (not all, but some) just drive at 115kph. So, in the war on speed (cos speed kills, kids), we get these nice little reminders that we shouldn't take the 15kph tolerance as the new speed limit and so have little holiday periods where the tolerance is widely accepted to be 4kph. Trouble is, if you're trying to maintain exactly 100kph for any length of time, that 4% tolerance is pretty difficult. So you get pinged. For doing something that not even cops can honestly manage.

The speed limits ARE set. To exceed the limits and you are liable to recieve a Traffic Infringement notice. No tolerance is set in law. Descretionary powers are given to police to make their own judgement on the need to issue Infringement notices ... if a vehicle is stopped for breach of any transport regulation ... or any other matter.
It is up to the operator of the velicle to ensure they dont exceed the speed limits. No "what if's" are accepted in court.

In the past 9 km/hr has been the advised tolerance ... although most officers would not usually bother for under 15 km/hr over the open road limit. 50 and 70 km zones are a different matter. It is at their descretion to not do so though.

In short ... ANY speed over the posted speed limit is liable for an infringement notice.

And it make me laugh ... when supposedly "skilled" riders claiming difficulty in keeping to these speed limits.

[BoristheBiter]

God & you call me a retard
Let me know when your willing to demonstrate this, I got a YouTube channel just waiting for a video of "idiot trying to show how to recover loss of rear traction at 100km/h on NZ roads"

Well you are ether retarded or can't read.
Read the post again fuck nuts and see if you can see the part where I said you can't. I said tell me there is no difference.

And I don't want to see any videos of you wanking thanks, I'll let you keep that for chat roulette.