Dealer/distributor price gouging continues unabated

[BMWST?]

Unfortunately the business model does need to change, or more dealers will fall. And then the distributors will fall.

The facts are, as an example, that I could import from a retailer in America a part and have it landed here for under $300. Honda wanted $630 for the same part. To stop this happening, either NZ'ers need to be stopped from purchasing from overseas (!) or the distributors/manufacturers need to change their methods. It's their choice, either campaign the government to prohibit private imports or adapt to a changing market. Or there is a 3rd option, and that is to fold.

It's not a nice situation for them I'm sure, but it's the reality. Burying their heads in the sand and hoping the internet is just a fad isn't working.

what will happen will happen,and i am sure the outcome will not be to anyones total benefit...the same is happening across the whole retail market,clothes shoes books movies music etc .There will be tears before bedtime.

[jasonu]

Well that shows how little you know.

Just checked on the American parts ordering sites and the price for a radiator fan for a 2009 Ninja 650R is just over $400US with most of the sites showing a discounted price down at just over $300US.

If it is the same part the OP talked about I doubt the used part price was in fact $40 or it was a different or damaged part. Used parts prices from wreckers (in the states) is generally around half the new price of the same part.

It depends entirely on who is sending the part. Some companies charge ridiculous freight prices. It also depends on which side of the States a parcel is coming from.

Well that shows how little you know.
A flat rate box is just that, flat rate from anywhere in the states to almost anywhere in the rest of the world.

[Woodman]

[QUOTE=Katman;1130250829]Well that shows how little you know.

Just checked on the American parts ordering sites and the price for a radiator fan for a 2009 Ninja 650R is just over $400US with most of the sites showing a discounted price down at just over $300US.[QUOTE]

Thankyou Katman. It was a pointless argument anyway when comparing new with secondhand, but cheers for being bothered to check.

[Bassmatt]

[QUOTE=Woodman;1130250968][QUOTE=Katman;1130250829]Well that shows how little you know.

Just checked on the American parts ordering sites and the price for a radiator fan for a 2009 Ninja 650R is just over $400US with most of the sites showing a discounted price down at just over $300US.

Thankyou Katman. It was a pointless argument anyway when comparing new with secondhand, but cheers for being bothered to check.

I wasnt comparing new with second hand i was pointing out that $600 for an electric motor is absolutely ridiculous. US $300 to NZ600+ still equates to around NZ$200 profit just for ordering it. I spent all of 5 minutes on ebay to find and order a second hand one.
$2400 an hour to a distributor for making an order is pretty cheap though eh?


Second hand prices range from us$15 to$100 dollars most are around $40-50.
the fact that second hand prices are only around 10% of the new price suggests that the market agrees with me.

[BMWST?]

[QUOTE=Bassmatt;1130250973][QUOTE=Woodman;1130250968]

Well that shows how little you know.

Just checked on the American parts ordering sites and the price for a radiator fan for a 2009 Ninja 650R is just over $400US with most of the sites showing a discounted price down at just over $300US.

I wasnt comparing new with second hand i was pointing out that $600 for an electric motor is absolutely ridiculous. US $300 to NZ600+ still equates to around NZ$200 profit just for ordering it. I spent all of 5 minutes on ebay to find and order a second hand one.
$2400 an hour to a distributor for making an order is pretty cheap though eh?


Second hand prices range from us$15 to$100 dollars most are around $40-50.
the fact that second hand prices are only around 10% of the new price suggests that the market agrees with me.

who makes the supposed 200 dollar profit then?

[Katman]

Well that shows how little you know.
A flat rate box is just that, flat rate from anywhere in the states to almost anywhere in the rest of the world.

Listen up shit-for-brains, it depends entirely on who the crowd sending the package chooses to use. Generally speaking, when ordering from a company in the State you don't have the ability to choose the carrier or service that you want that company to use.

[onearmedbandit]

Well that shows how little you know.
A flat rate box is just that, flat rate from anywhere in the states to almost anywhere in the rest of the world.

Really? Because I've looked at the same item from different retailers and there can be a variance in shipping. Or do I also know very little?

[Trade_nancy]

So what you are after is no bike shops, we do it all on line or have just one big shop that sells everything, therefore no competition.

Not what I thought about....But sounds like there is no competition anyhoo. They all set price at RRP and avoid price war - insn't that what KATMAN said? We need retailers to sell us bikes, parts..of course. BUT - why should the margin be so outrageous? Why should (for example) Triumph NZ distribute items at 50% or above what RETAILERS in UK and USA pay? Why should retailers always put RRP 50 to 100% markup sales tickets on non-effort sales items like gloves and boots?

[Katman]

Why should retailers always put RRP 50 to 100% markup sales tickets on non-effort sales items like gloves and boots?

If you think retailers mark-up is between 50 to 100% than you're more deluded than I imagined.

[BMWST?]

So what you are after is no bike shops, we do it all on line or have just one big shop that sells everything, therefore no competition.

Not what I thought about....But sounds like there is no competition anyhoo. They all set price at RRP and avoid price war - insn't that what KATMAN said? We need retailers to sell us bikes, parts..of course. BUT - why should the margin be so outrageous? Why should (for example) Triumph NZ distribute items at 50% or above what RETAILERS in UK and USA pay? Why should retailers always put RRP 50 to 100% markup sales tickets on non-effort sales items like gloves and boots?

the retailers NEED a margin so that the shop can stay open,the dealers BUY their goods from distributors who buy the same goods form manufacturers or other wholesalers...You will find that the retailer has no real option where they buy the goods,otherwise the NZ distributor or the manufacturer will not supply them .Ref the adidas rugby jersey affair

[Trade_nancy]

Very creative use of stats KATMAN..95% buy PCs..so about 3mill PCs get sold each year? Snigger..I wish..
How often does the average PC owner spend say $500 on their PC..vs how often do they drop that coin of their bike?

[DMNTD:Me]

Very creative use of stats KATMAN...

As with you too. Do you honestly believe that the Dealers have laid that much margin on the products they sell?
I'm intrigued to know which dealers and on what products

[Kickaha]

why should the margin be so outrageous? Why should (for example) Triumph NZ distribute items at 50% or above what RETAILERS in UK and USA pay?

Yeah because obviously all distributors get the same deal from the manufacturers regardless of the volume they sell

[jasonu]

Listen up shit-for-brains, it depends entirely on who the crowd sending the package chooses to use. Generally speaking, when ordering from a company in the State you don't have the ability to choose the carrier or service that you want that company to use.

Do you kiss your mother with that potty mouth?

Really? Because I've looked at the same item from different retailers and there can be a variance in shipping. Or do I also know very little?

If you had bothered to read back a little you may have noticed that I was talking about USPS FLAT RATE boxes.
Extra 'handeling' fees are up to the shipper.

[DMNTD:Me]

I was talking about USPS FLAT RATE boxes.
Various 'handling' fees are up to the shipper.

The problem being is that if you order via the internet it is the vendor's choice of who they choose to deal with....and for the most part the shipping prices are obscene