Dealer/distributor price gouging continues unabated

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It's not the retailers I'm complaining about, it's the business model the distributors/manufacturers are using.

so what's the model they should be using, if you have the solution there are a whole lot of distributors/manufacturers waiting for your pearls of wisdom as most of them are still suffering at present

[Woodman]

Why don't the Honda dealers get together and start using the australia distributor like Yamaha do and leverage off the increased buying power.

Seems to me that Bluewing have too much influence.

[DMNTD:Me]

so what's the model they should be using, if you have the solution there are a whole lot of distributors/manufacturers waiting for your pearls of wisdom as most of them are still suffering at present

...as are the bike shops, big time.

IMO it won't be too long before dealers are mainly there for bike sales and service/warranty work only with maybe the odd part and accessory sale.

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Why don't the Honda dealers get together and start using the australia distributor like Yamaha do and leverage off the increased buying power.

Seems to me that Bluewing have too much influence.

NZ Yamaha dealers didn't start buying out of Australia by choice they are run out of Australia, the NZ distributor pulled the pin. And yes Honda dealers could by from any market in the world they wanted to BUT they can't get a certificate of compliance from Honda Japan and if you don't have that the LTNZ won't registered your new road bike in NZ. Only blue wing as the official importer can supply this document and only for the bikes they import and it is refrenced to vin number. So off road and quads would be fine as they don't need this but road bikes would be a problem. This is the same for all bikes and cars bought into NZ.

[scott411]

also goes further than that, the warranty is not valid world wide, so the dealer would have to cover the warranty, time frame to get bikes would be an issue, and the fact that honda nz would stop suppling them parts so that time frame would go from,

the distributors are the biggest holders of parts in the country, allowing most dealers overnight delivery to keep customers happy, the only way to get rid of them is for the dealers to stock more, but with the wide variety of bikes in NZ it would be very hard to do,

[Woodman]

NZ Yamaha dealers didn't start buying out of Australia by choice they are run out of Australia, the NZ distributor pulled the pin. And yes Honda dealers could by from any market in the world they wanted to BUT they can't get a certificate of compliance from Honda Japan and if you don't have that the LTNZ won't registered your new road bike in NZ. Only blue wing as the official importer can supply this document and only for the bikes they import and it is refrenced to vin number. So off road and quads would be fine as they don't need this but road bikes would be a problem. This is the same for all bikes and cars bought into NZ.

Yea, thats cool but I was talking about parts and accessories.

[Flip]

NZ Yamaha dealers didn't start buying out of Australia by choice they are run out of Australia, the NZ distributor pulled the pin. And yes Honda dealers could by from any market in the world they wanted to BUT they can't get a certificate of compliance from Honda Japan and if you don't have that the LTNZ won't registered your new road bike in NZ. Only blue wing as the official importer can supply this document and only for the bikes they import and it is refrenced to vin number. So off road and quads would be fine as they don't need this but road bikes would be a problem. This is the same for all bikes and cars bought into NZ.

Technically that is illegal and I am sure commerce will be interested to hear that Honda is using it's position in the market to prevent competition.

Meanwhile Honda riders order their parts on ebay and Honda NZ wonder why nobody will pay $2000 for a headlight.

[onearmedbandit]

so what's the model they should be using, if you have the solution there are a whole lot of distributors/manufacturers waiting for your pearls of wisdom as most of them are still suffering at present

Drop the attitude, I never said I had the solution. You don't have to actually possess one to identify a problem. People are not going to stop buying from overseas while the savings are there to be had. Retailers are telling us they don't have big margins in their stock. So they are getting charged too much, and next in the chain is the distributors. Are they charging too much? Or are they being charged too much? Is the cost of holding stock here just too high?

If the manufacturers want to have their brands in a specific country, they need to support those brands. As it's now a global market place we live in we have access to markets with the same products at a much cheaper price. If this continues more retailers will continue to close, meaning the manufacturers will ultimately have less brand coverage. Maybe NZ is such a small market they really don't care if they close up shop. Or, and only if it is possible, the situation is worked to a point where we can buy products at a price more reflective of what we can pay from retailers overseas, including shipping and taxes. Not the same price mind, I'm happy to pay a bit more for instant gratification, but not up to 3x the price. (Bear in mind, in that particular example Honda still had to order the part from Japan...)

That's as close to a solution as I have. I'm not trying to screw anyone over, I want the motorcycle industry here to flourish, and I want those that work hard in it to make a good dollar. Fuck in essence I'm trying to help the industry (not that whatever I say carries any weight, nor would anyone listen, I'm just a casual observer and sometime participant), the last thing I would want is to see more shops shut up.

[onearmedbandit]

Technically that is illegal and I am sure commerce will be interested to hear that Honda is using it's position in the market to prevent competition.

Meanwhile Honda riders order their parts on ebay and Honda NZ wonder why nobody will pay $2000 for a headlight.

Yes I remember a case awhile back where CCS wouldn't release a certificate of compliance to a privately imported Ferrari (I think). I'm sure their hand got forced. Think it was used though, new models are probably protected.

[Flip]

Karma is a bitch.

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If the manufacturers want to have their brands in a specific country, they need to support those brands. As it's now a global market place we live in we have access to markets with the same products at a much cheaper price. If this continues more retailers will continue to close, meaning the manufacturers will ultimately have less brand coverage. Maybe NZ is such a small market they really don't care if they close up shop. Or, and only if it is possible, the situation is worked to a point where we can buy products at a price more reflective of what we can pay from retailers overseas, including shipping and taxes. .

In my experience most manufactures don't give a shit all they want is there pile of money to get bigger and that is not just related to the motorcycle market, and yes our market is so small that most manufactures don't care if we exsist on not.They just want the importers to place larger and larger orders wether they have a market that can consume the volume of stock or not, not the manufactures problem after they get payed. The only way we will get the same prices is to have a larger market to repeat myself again. The easiest solution to this is to align NZ with Australia which I think will happen some time in the future. Look at the big discount chains for high valve items i.e. JB high fi they treat nz as just another state of Australia. Just have to get the NZ importers to bury the hatchet and work with the people over the ditch as it would be better for everyone we get better prices Australia gets more buying power so that drives down prices even more.

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[QUOTE=Flip;1130251406]Technically that is illegal and I am sure commerce will be interested to hear that Honda is using it's position in the market to prevent competition.

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Blame LTNZ they have set up this rules it's the same for all importers. Any one can import, you could bring in new bikes tomorrow in competition all the big brands but the cost of complying puts it out of reach of the average dealer plus any warranty issues are another problem that would have to be carried by the importing dealer, and then there is parts back up I could go on and on.

[Jantar]

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If the manufacturers want to have their brands in a specific country, they need to support those brands. As it's now a global market place we live in we have access to markets with the same products at a much cheaper price. .....

With the current exchange rates, next time I want to upgrade my bike I will seriously consider travelling overseas to buy one. Ride it around for a while then import into New Zealand. Even with airfares, GST and freight I figure I'll be looking at ony 75% of the New Zealand cost.

[scott411]

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Technically that is illegal and I am sure commerce will be interested to hear that Honda is using it's position in the market to prevent competition.

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Blame LTNZ they have set up this rules it's the same for all importers. Any one can import, you could bring in new bikes tomorrow in competition all the big brands but the cost of complying puts it out of reach of the average dealer plus any warranty issues are another problem that would have to be carried by the importing dealer, and then there is parts back up I could go on and on.

yamaha is run like that now, business is different over here and you have seen a number of yamaha dealers go to the wall, some go under, some choose to close, its not really a solution, as the aussie market has the same problems with cheap US imports, in fact it is worse as the non gst payable is $1000 not $400 as it is here

[Trade_nancy]

I believe that dealers are hurting - as indicated by some members who I gather are involved in the business. My feelings of discontent and grumbling are as indicacted by some others - better directed at distributors. Agreed. Today I had to order a plastic 145mm long piece of 10mm plastic hose - an IACV hose to connect between throttle body and IAC. Had a crack in the boot/connector. Cost on "World of Triumph" UK dealer website is about 12pounds...or say $24. Cost from Triumph NZ = $65. If I ordered the bit myself - they charge another $30 shipping - minimum fee - makes it $54 - still $11 cheaper than from Triumph NZ to dealer. I ordered from the dealer as they had done spade work and made phone calls - so would have been a pisser for them for me to deal online. Why is a NZ subsidiary - or whatever Triumph NZ may be - unable to secure parts at prices a DEALER in the UK can buy and sell for - at RRP!!!!