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    European developments that may knock on worldwide

    quote from the EU Type Approval (L-category vehicles) and market surveillance discussion paper.



    The European Commission has proposed that part of its controversial new 'Anti-Tampering' regulations, which will affect all future bikes registered for the road, should be re-written to prevent chop-builders from using 'long-forks'.

    The Commission now proposes that any bikes being put through the Individual Vehicle Approval test (the safety inspection made before non Type-Approved imports, one-off specials, etc. (currently known as Motorcycle Single Vehicle Approval) would have to complete a slalom and U-Turn before being registered, to prevent modifications to the length of the forks.

    Up to now, the draft regulations have only talked about requiring manufacturers to design the 'power-train' (engine, transmission, final-drive and rear tyre dimension) so that it becomes difficult for owners to modify them from standard.

    The UK representatives in the technical discussions joined FEMA and others in opposing the proposal, not least because the Commission cannot produce any evidence to show that modified bikes are unsafe.

    The Commission is expected to continue to seek further restrictions on the ability to modify bikes in future despite mounting criticism that it has failed to consider whether there is any demonstrable case for restricting riders liberty to modify their bikes to suit their own needs.

    Motorcycle Action Group had previously warned that the vagueness of the Commission's proposals to restrict modifications could mean the ambitions of those who want to save us from ourselves might extend beyond the draft proposals that have been under discussion since 2010. We've drawn attention to Annex 2 (item 12) of the EU Type Approval and Market Surveillance Regulation before, which wishes to measure/control steerability, cornering properties and turn ability and this is what is playing out now. This development is part of the creation of the Delegated Acts, the technical specifics designed to accompany the Regulation and the very specifics we were concerned that the members of IMCO hadn't been able to see. (IMCO is the committee who voted on 5th Dec to approve the Regulation through it's First Reading). Remember the regulation has two more stages to pass through; The Council (National Governments) and the full EU Parliament.

    In response to that IMCO vote, the European Twowheel Retailers' Association (ETRA) recently said
    "If the current text of article 18 is adopted by the European Parliament and the Council, all usual changes asked by motorcyclists to their garages for either riding comfort, fuel efficiency, or to suit their style and taste, will be illegal or will have to be checked and approved, thus making motorcycling more expensive and servicing more burdensome.

    As regards article 52 on System components and separate technical units, the report has left the current text practically unchanged. Once again we want to express our concerns on the negative effects it can have on the sales and service sector, such as preventing the sale of all systems, components or separate technical units which have dual use, i.e. which are used for both sport activities (not taking place on public roads) and for road use. "

    So the retailers of Europe aren't very happy and neither it would seem are the manufacturers
    ACEM (the association of European manufacturers) said of the IMCO vote and specifically the mandatory fitment of ABS on all bikes and scooters
    "On this point, ACEM deplores the IMCO vote outcome, which would translate into a heavier burden due to the added costs of more stringent environmental and safety measures. This applies in particular to light motorcycles and scooters of the 125cc class (L3-A1), which form the core of the EU ailing market and provide urban mobility and social cohesion benefits to citizens, as recognised by the IMCO report itself. For this category of motorcycles, ACEM regrets that safe advanced braking systems alternatives to ABS such as Combined Braking Systems have been scrapped from the available safety measures, effectively wiping out years of investments in research and development.
    Furthermore, IMCO voted against amendments supporting international harmonisation in terms of the durability test procedure, which brings unnecessary duplications of tests and costs to industry and, in the end for the consumer, without any measurable environmental benefit. "

    http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/dft-2011-26 all 100 pages of it !!!!
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    Yup, those long forks have caused sooooo many crashes and deaths.

    What a bunch of dicks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    What a bunch of dicks...
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    does this not breach human rights in terms of freedoms?
    Is it not illegal for government to restrict how businesses perform? - surely it will limit companies abilities to remain competitive?

    Hope to hell this doesnt go through, doesnt take a genius to see how far such an idea could be stretched and implemented here.
    fuck them, they can ban whatever they want, Id still mod my bike.

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    Can someone summarise what he said into a single sentence, with small words. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuppetMaster View Post
    Can someone summarise what he said into a single sentence, with small words. Thanks

    bend over , will leave a nasty feeling and will smell of garic

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigertim20 View Post
    does this not breach human rights in terms of freedoms?
    Is it not illegal for government to restrict how businesses perform? - surely it will limit companies abilities to remain competitive?

    Hope to hell this doesnt go through, doesnt take a genius to see how far such an idea could be stretched and implemented here.
    fuck them, they can ban whatever they want, Id still mod my bike.
    Problem is, the EU tends to adopt policies across the board, and Germany has one of the most stringent anti modifying regulations in existance. Example, unless the manufacturers recommend a particular tyre for your bike (make and model) your bike will fail its WOF and the fitter of said tyre could be prosecuted for illegal fitment.... so want to put on a double bubble after market screen or spitfire screen? It has to be type approved for each individual bike it can be fitted to.... It effectively turns the aftermarket spares availability into something like HD's and S&S.. basically approved by the manufacturer as additions/modified parts for their bikes. Power Commander? Not unless approved for your bike!!!
    So the French Hi Vis could easily become Europe wide, and the German aftermarket rules could soon be adopted Euro wide... then Our bikes will be affected as Europe is probably THE largest market worldwide for the bike industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuppetMaster View Post
    Can someone summarise what he said into a single sentence, with small words. Thanks
    For some reason some anal twat in brussels wants to stop the age old hobby of tweaking your engine for a bit more power. He doesn't seem to like choppers either, despite the fact they are hardly ever used as daily transport and mostly end up as trailor queens. Maybe they would be better off worrying about the economy...
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    i really don't think they should be very worried.... every cop from the UE seams to have a fairly low IQ...



    well thats what it look like in all the movies from there


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    No surprises, this is the EU. Something that takes the dumbest policies from every country and makes it European wide. They wanted to ban woodfired pizzas in Italy because Germans don't like it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gianz View Post
    No surprises, this is the EU. Something that takes the dumbest policies from every country and makes it European wide. They wanted to ban woodfired pizzas in Italy because Germans don't like it...
    absolutely correct lmfao...... However, the serious side of the EU adopting outrageously stupid policies? Look at the exhaust system of all new bikes, The catalytic converter? Wasnt 'forced' by the USA and the extremely quiet systems yo find on your bike these days?? are EU compliant, that is how far reaching the EU restrictions become. So already the EU has had 3 major impacts, cat's, noise, and anti 'tweaking' of the engine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuppetMaster View Post
    Can someone summarise what he said into a single sentence, with small words. Thanks
    Yup...its nearly time to....



    ...in the name of freedom & Civil liberties!

    4k tollerance...ACC screwing us...long forks & modding "special rules"...Compulsory HiViz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKiwi View Post
    My question is how do you make the bike and/or the rider more conspicuous?
    Simple answer - YOU DON'T. Learn to ride defensively. It doesn't matter how "visible" you or your bike are. Some twat (as in a lot of twats) still won't see you.

    My bike is my only transport. I commute daily on the Auckland motorway and enjoy the twisties as often as I can. My bike and my gear (apart from the helmet) is all black. It's not a problem because I look after myself and never assume someone will do it for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    Simple answer - YOU DON'T. Learn to ride defensively. It doesn't matter how "visible" you or your bike are. Some twat (as in a lot of twats) still won't see you.

    My bike is my only transport. I commute daily on the Auckland motorway and enjoy the twisties as often as I can. My bike and my gear (apart from the helmet) is all black. It's not a problem because I look after myself and never assume someone will do it for me.
    OK, that is your view and I certainly believe we should look after ourselves and assume no one is going to see us. There is a lot we can do that enables us to have fun while making it easier to be seen to to ride in a way that minimises us getting in harms way. However I do believe there are some other measures that increase the conspicuousness of the bike. I've recently purchased some very very bright LED's and installed them on my bike. My bike is now harder to ignore and more visible to cars coming out of side roads. Still doesn't change my thought process about the car, I ride as if they don't see me but I know they can and that they are more likely to notice me now, just my opinion.

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