Okay, how about this?

[mossy1200]

Can you back that statement up with any facts?

http://www.youclaim.co.uk/Motorcycle...-degloving.htm

Im sure you could find alot of records im basing my statments on what i was told by a Welly Ambo driver who claimed a rider goes down in leathers will normally retain his broken bones within his gear but a rider goes down at speed without loses skin,tissue,nerves and the same fractures .Instead of a cast they need skin grafts surgury and pins to retain bones as the open wounds get infected if set in casts or not constantly monitored.Im sure hes prob correct but maybe hes not.

[Kickaha]

http://www.youclaim.co.uk/Motorcycle...-degloving.htm

Im sure you could find alot of records im basing my statments on what i was told by a Welly Ambo driver who claimed a rider goes down in leathers will normally retain his broken bones within his gear but a rider goes down at speed without loses skin,tissue,nerves and the same fractures .Instead of a cast they need skin grafts surgury and pins to retain bones as the open wounds get infected if set in casts or not constantly monitored.Im sure hes prob correct but maybe hes not.

So what you're really saying is you have no figures for people crashing wearing inappropriate gear so you don't have any idea what they are costing

[mossy1200]

So what you're really saying is you have no figures for people crashing wearing inappropriate gear so you don't have any idea what they are costing

Correct but you could try grinding a inch deep wound plate size off your left leg then brake both your legs.Then go to a private surgery and tell them you dont have alot of cash but you would like to get at least one leg repaired and could you have a quote for each.

[FJRider]

So what you're really saying is you have no figures for people crashing wearing inappropriate gear so you don't have any idea what they are costing

I would go with ... "A lot more" ...

[mossy1200]

Correct but you could try grinding a inch deep wound plate size off your left leg then brake both your legs.Then go to a private surgery and tell them you dont have alot of cash but you would like to get at least one leg repaired and could you have a quote for each.

I came off in the S bend at Manfield and it cost (visa)me $100 to repair the shoulder in my suit.Again low side on the back of Extended track cost (visa)50 for leathers and 600 for bike repairs.Saving my skin (Priceless)

[rastuscat]

Can you back that statement up with any facts?

Facts? They'd look out of place here.

[rastuscat]

I came off in the S bend at Manfield and it cost (visa)me $100 to repair the shoulder in my suit.Again low side on the back of Extended track cost (visa)50 for leathers and 600 for bike repairs.Saving my skin (Priceless)

There's a good Visa ad.

[Muppet]

I think it's a great idea this training instead of a ticket lark. I find people on scooters need it most, they're simply non-motorcyclists who've found a cheaper way to get around, they don't even need a bike licence if the scooter meets the criteria.

[superman]

I think it's a great idea this training instead of a ticket lark. I find people on scooters need it most, they're simply non-motorcyclists who've found a cheaper way to get around, they don't even need a bike licence if the scooter meets the criteria.

Soon to need licenses though! Some good laws going through to help bring up driver skill this year.

[Muppet]

Soon to need licenses though! Some good laws going through to help bring up driver skill this year.

Yep, I'm just thankful that the bikes of today weren't around when I first got my licence and that I couldn't afford them anyway! I wished I'd been made to do a course though. I believe every new rider should be coached on cornering braking etc You think about it. A teenager with a full licence could go buy a cheap R1 with high km's then take it on a road like State 75 to Akaroa

[Oakie]

A teenager with a full licence could go buy a cheap R1 with high km's then take it on a road like State 75 to Akaroa

Shudder ... (in general)

[rastuscat]

The biggest cock up with the licensing system is the moped exemption.

Someone who has never driven a car at all can go and get a learners car licence just by sitting a written test. No motorcycle questions, just car questions. They can then go borrow a mates moped and go riding in heavy city traffic, quite legally.

Bloody dangerous.

My own story is a good example. Had a CB250N to get my full licence on back in the day. Didn't ride for a couple of decades. Luckily I've been on a lot of training courses, just to get to the stage I'm at today. I could have done no training, and gone and bought that R1. Bought a fairly sedate F800ST instead. Too many grey hairs for anything much beastlier.

Anyway, meeting with the City Council, the Popo Road Policing Manager and the ACC bloke tomorrow, to sell my training instead of ticket scheme. Think it'll get off the ground.

[Gremlin]

Think it'll get off the ground.

Power of positive thought... upskilling someone is never a bad idea (unless you think it breeds overconfidence ). The lives that could potentially be saved is worth it alone, and it only takes one.

[James Deuce]

Funny thing is, an F800ST would have won every class it entered 30 years ago. With ease. With a novice racer onboard. Our perceptions of what makes for a sedate bike are seriously bent these days.

200kg and 100HP is a Girl's bike in the US.

[Scuba_Steve]

The biggest cock up with the licensing system is the moped exemption.

Yea I'm with you, those things should be banned outright!