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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    RC, I think you are on to something here.

    Giving a person options of what they want to do (especially when requiring a smaller outlay of their hard-earned $$$'s) should be a no-brainer. I have always emphasised the training approach to our road licencing problem.

    Would this be a goer when licences are up for renewal every 10 years? Showing proof that "further education" has happened during that time? From what I have seen and experienced, getting your licence is one thing, renewing it is simply a tax + an eyesight test and nothing more.

    It will be interesting what your bosses say.
    Education rather than Legislation, oh the joy. May even herald the return of a thick ear. I've been an advocate of on-going training for road users since Benz was a boy.

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    Definitely has potential....
    Nice to see some different thinking on the whole situation
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Modelled on a scheme in Nelson, I'm thinking of doing something like this.

    1. Find a motorcyclist doing something I could potentially write a ticket for. Not hard.
    2. Take all his/her details. Make sure I have follow up details.
    3. Make sure he/she has all my contact details
    4. Supply full contact details for the training that ACC is heavily subsidising.
    5. Tell said biker that if he/she does one of the approved courses, no ticket will be issued.
    6. Bikers choice…..do the training, paying $50 for the privilege, or get the fine, normally $150


    I'm trying to see the arguments against this. If I can cause people to choose training and avoid wasting their dosh on fines, where's the issue?

    I guess I'll get all the carping, but let me have it, I'm actually interested in suggestions as to how I could make this better, what things not to do etc.

    Have at it Citizens.

    Donuts.
    Love the idea mate, thats what I would call 'COMMUNITY POLICING'
    Arguement against it? Sadly you work for an organisation that has taken the stand that advanced driver training is detrimental to safety as it makes drivers 'overconfident'...... So if you can sweet talk Paula into trialling it? Bloody marvelous!!!
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    I say get the fine AND option of penalty points or training course.
    I have evolved as a KB member.Now nothing I say should be taken seriously.

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    I'm trying to see the arguments against this. If I can cause people to choose training and avoid wasting their dosh on fines, where's the issue?

    Getting said biker to complete the training within a time limit...say three months?
    Or is there already a time frame in place in other regions where this has been trialed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nzspokes View Post
    Yes and its a valid question. What training do the police get in identifying "incorrect riding"?
    We have an instructor down here called Andrew Templeton who I believe was/is involved with the Police rider training. If you want to find out just what level of skill police motorcyclists are supposed/expected to attain? Then I suggest you read the 'Bible' The Police Motorcycle Roadcraft book.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L180b...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3niqk...eature=related
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayWolf View Post
    Then I suggest you read the 'Bible' The Police Motorcycle Roadcraft book.
    Steady on. He failed to comprehend the original post.

    What would he make of a 'book with big words'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Steady on. He failed to comprehend the original post.

    What would he make of a 'book with big words'?
    And first explain to him what a Bible is ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Modelled on a scheme in Nelson, I'm thinking of doing something like this.

    1. Find a motorcyclist doing something I could potentially write a ticket for. Not hard.
    2. Take all his/her details. Make sure I have follow up details.
    3. Make sure he/she has all my contact details
    4. Supply full contact details for the training that ACC is heavily subsidising.
    5. Tell said biker that if he/she does one of the approved courses, no ticket will be issued.
    6. Bikers choice…..do the training, paying $50 for the privilege, or get the fine, normally $150


    I'm trying to see the arguments against this. If I can cause people to choose training and avoid wasting their dosh on fines, where's the issue?

    I guess I'll get all the carping, but let me have it, I'm actually interested in suggestions as to how I could make this better, what things not to do etc.

    Have at it Citizens.

    Donuts.
    Sounds like an awesome idea! Of course, its a bit dumb if the "something I could potentially write a ticket for" is being 6km over the limit in a 100km zone...
    But other than that, how could you really complain? - you got caught doing something wrong, and are given the opportunity to get off the ticket, AND learn a bit more about your bike. sounds like a fucking winner mate!

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    Wooooo hooooooooo

    Agreement in concept from da boss. Just gotta do a (yawn) business plan, but I guess I knew that was coming.

    Gotta rope in the local Road Safety Coordinator.

    ACC bloke onboard. Tells me that if dosh runs out, he'll just ask for more, so availability of training shouldn't be an issue. Hard to see ACC saying no to motorcycle funding, given the priorities in Safer Journeys etc.

    Gotta liaise with the three providers, get their views.

    Gotta arrange a sponsorship deal with Dunkin donuts (DOH!!!!!!........already done that, whew).

    Looking up team. Come break a law in front of me, and I'll give you the choice.

    Tee hee

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Wooooo hooooooooo

    Agreement in concept from da boss. Just gotta do a (yawn) business plan, but I guess I knew that was coming.

    Gotta rope in the local Road Safety Coordinator.

    ACC bloke onboard. Tells me that if dosh runs out, he'll just ask for more, so availability of training shouldn't be an issue. Hard to see ACC saying no to motorcycle funding, given the priorities in Safer Journeys etc.

    Gotta liaise with the three providers, get their views.

    Gotta arrange a sponsorship deal with Dunkin donuts (DOH!!!!!!........already done that, whew).

    Looking up team. Come break a law in front of me, and I'll give you the choice.

    Tee hee
    Awesome news!! Keep an eye out for me, I'm on the, ah I guess you already know.

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    Now you just need Cant television to do a local docco on it,
    and you might find sponcers jumping to assist.
    Keep us informed RC,
    Im sure there are others here who could help with that business plan if you need help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Wooooo hooooooooo

    Agreement in concept from da boss. Just gotta do a (yawn) business plan, but I guess I knew that was coming.

    Gotta rope in the local Road Safety Coordinator.

    ACC bloke onboard. Tells me that if dosh runs out, he'll just ask for more, so availability of training shouldn't be an issue. Hard to see ACC saying no to motorcycle funding, given the priorities in Safer Journeys etc.

    Gotta liaise with the three providers, get their views.

    Gotta arrange a sponsorship deal with Dunkin donuts (DOH!!!!!!........already done that, whew).

    Looking up team. Come break a law in front of me, and I'll give you the choice.

    Tee hee
    we need more shit like this man.
    instead of the current system of faceless bureaucrats making ridiculous demands like 4km tolerances for a month in a vain attempt to justify the excessive government paycheck theyr receive for bumbling ineffectively through their job descriptions, we need more cops, who are on the front line, using their experiences, knowledge and skills to bring in, apply and enforce initiatives that are actually going to positively affect motorists and their mentality.

    Have a donut on me mate!

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    Love the idea.

    Worst case some that don't really need it will waste a day on a course. Even then they'll more than likely still learn something.

    Best case some that really need it will become better riders and live a bit longer.

    Can't really see any negatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    Love the idea.

    Worst case some that don't really need it will waste a day on a course. Even then they'll more than likely still learn something.

    Best case some that really need it will become better riders and live a bit longer.

    Can't really see any negatives.
    yup agree whole heartily , but then who will feed popo donuts , one must speed in order for popo to survive ( think of their children !)

    march 20th , will be a donut extravaganza for the po , I will feed you!

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