Okay, how about this?

[MSTRS:Me]

My take on it is a little different from diversion.

If I can get anyone to attend training, their riding will probably improve. I actually don't care if they have had 3 previous tickets, or even 19. Getting them to training is what counts. Even the cynical will learn something, even if they think they already know it all.

Ok. I see what you believe this idea might achieve. And it seems most here agree with the idea. So....

Pitch it to Paula Rose. Tell her that, potentially, it would save more lives than her pet bullshit...

[Jay GTI]

It is a very good idea and am glad you're taking it to your superiors already.

As per KB, there will be the usual nay-sayers that will disregard the whole idea on the principle of one "clever" example where it won't work, but it will work at least some of the time, so on that basis it is a winner.

It will also help with the ever-diminishing public respect for the traffic arm of the Police (and in fact Police in general) because of the perceived "quota-based" Policing strategies that keep being pushed at us general public types. For clarification, I am very much talking perceived here, as regardless of if there is or isn't a quota, public perception of road policing strategies can be and have been very damaging to the way Joe Public views the work the Police do and the level of respect they are afforded.

This way there is no arguement, you are actually trying to make people ride/drive better and it's very hard for the pesimists to argue it's just another revenue-based strategy.

[Katman]

Pitch it to Paula Rose. Tell her that, potentially, it would save more lives than her pet bullshit...

I think the concept is a great idea.

However, I'm concerned that an effort to get it officially rubber stamped might spell the end of the idea.

[MSTRS:Me]

I think the concept is a great idea.

However, I'm concerned that an effort to get it officially rubber stamped might be the end of the idea.

A clever person would have her thinking it was her idea...

[James Deuce]

A clever person would have her thinking it was her idea...

She's publicly claimed that driver/rider training causes people to be over confident and have accidents at higher speeds.

[MSTRS:Me]

She's publicly claimed that driver/rider training causes people to be over confident and have accidents at higher speeds.

Was she the stupid bint that vomited that crap?
Well, that's another good idea/opportunity fucked...

[FJRider]

Yup, that's one of the providers I want to refer people to.

Check my other posts, I posted the three providers a few weeks back, coz I want folk to go do the training, regardless of why. Voluntarily is always good.

BTW, I rang the school quoted above yesterday, they've had quite a good uptake. Lots more people will do training voluntarily if it costs less. Funny old thing.

I agree ... but such courses, at that location, requires a bit of effort to get to (for me).

I believe such courses should be part on the licence system. And run as standardized courses in all areas. And/or ordered by the courts as (part of) penalty for some infringements.

[p.dath]

She's publicly claimed that driver/rider training causes people to be over confident and have accidents at higher speeds.

I think that was in relation to track based training, but I could be wrong.

[Scuba_Steve]

I think that was in relation to track based training, but I could be wrong.

Na they're against any training that'll teach you proper operation of a vehicle, as apparently that will "create more boyracers"

[blue rider]

I agree ... but such courses, at that location, requires a bit of effort to get to (for me).

I believe such courses should be part on the licence system. And run as standardized courses in all areas. And/or ordered by the courts as (part of) penalty for some infringements.

yes, this,

while i like the general idea put forward by the OP, it is a choice after the infringement has been caused.

We really need to get the training sorted before people hop on a bike or in a car and get it wrong (either because they don't care or because they don't know).

Training needs to be apart of lisencing. And I do believe if minimum training like ACC sponsord safe rider courses are mandatory, they might even stay cheap.....or should be contractually forced to be afordable, available and reachable.

[FJRider]

I am of the belief ... a lot of those that need such courses ... believe they know it all already.

I also see a a few NOOB posts ... to the effect, they want to do a few track days/courses ... so they can go faster ...

No mention about making themselves SAFER ...

[Gremlin]

Lots more people will do training voluntarily if it costs less. Funny old thing.

Simple supply and demand. When it costs lots (for anything), people are more inclined to question if it's really worth it. There isn't really a debate for $50. 3 hours training in Auckland is $250... that's something to think about...

I am of the belief ... a lot of those that need such courses ... believe they know it all already.

I also see a a few NOOB posts ... to the effect, they want to do a few track days/courses ... so they can go faster ...

No mention about making themselves SAFER ...

Ah, but that's all in the delivery. I always say to those learning, don't think about speed, that will come naturally later. Concentrate on lines, observation etc. Hopefully changes their mindset somewhat, perhaps relaxes their focus on speed, as you've said it will come automatically (which it does). The ART days don't automatically say speed, they teach you about lines, setup for corner etc, then the speed comes later.

[george formby]

4 trained patrol riders. Me plus my 3 full time riders. Yes, we know what we are talking about.

Great idea. T'was members of the constabulary that pushed me into further training when I was young & bullet proof.

Try & get it running, if it works then a nationwide strategy would be a very positive thing.

How would officers in cars be able to get involved, though? I have never seen a patrol rider up here.

[FJRider]

Ah, but that's all in the delivery. I always say to those learning, don't think about speed, that will come naturally later. Concentrate on lines, observation etc. Hopefully changes their mindset somewhat, perhaps relaxes their focus on speed, as you've said it will come automatically (which it does). The ART days don't automatically say speed, they teach you about lines, setup for corner etc, then the speed comes later.

I explain it by saying ... it's a years of experience (or more) gained ... in a few hours.

[Swoop]

RC, I think you are on to something here.

Giving a person options of what they want to do (especially when requiring a smaller outlay of their hard-earned $$$'s) should be a no-brainer. I have always emphasised the training approach to our road licencing problem.

Would this be a goer when licences are up for renewal every 10 years? Showing proof that "further education" has happened during that time? From what I have seen and experienced, getting your licence is one thing, renewing it is simply a tax + an eyesight test and nothing more.

It will be interesting what your bosses say.