London Bomb suspect shot

**Ixion** · 25th July 2005, 18:38

Originally Posted by Skyryder

So here's an 'electrician' leaving a house that's under observation for terriorist activities.

Now if he had been a drainlayer, cabinetmaker, anything but a sparky I might have some sympathy. But I'm a cynic...............so my guess is that he may have had something to do with the manufacuture of the bombs. Wild guess I know....................learn't it from Kojack

Skyryder

No, I understand that he did not acually leave the terrorists "house". It was in fact a block of flats, with a communal exit (like apartments I suppose). He lived in one flat, but a different one from the suspected terrorists. They saw him leaving the block not the flat. So his undoing was having dodgy neighbours,but I don't suppose he had much choice over that.

**Hitcher** · 25th July 2005, 19:31

Even the British cops have conceded it was a fuck up. So what's the argument here?

**Skyryder** · 25th July 2005, 19:35

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Even the British cops have conceded it was a fuck up. So what's the argument here?

None. Just me stiring the pot. Mind you I posted before I saw the news so looks like I just shot my foot off. Never did like Kojack.

Skyryder

**mstriumph** · 26th July 2005, 13:15

Now this foulup [the guilt, the ridicule, the repercussions] will be in the forefront of every cop's mind and cause them
to hesitate the NEXT time they are faced with a dodgy situation ...

which will be great if the next suspect is also innocent ...

not so great if he's not ....

**spudchucka** · 26th July 2005, 20:57

Exactly right, each case on its merits. Screw ups like this should not dictate policy.

**Pathos** · 27th July 2005, 00:57

I continue to support my initial outburst and will POLITELY ignore the prejudiced comment "you have a lot of growing up to do".

I would have fully supported any action (even if it resulted in civilian casualties) take while the victim was running not, when there are several policemen in the process of incapacitating the victim. They could have chopped his arms and legs off for all I care just to make sure. But one of them lost his cool while he had a firearm in his hands which is unacceptable in my opinion with the training they have.

**Lou Girardin** · 27th July 2005, 08:36

That is their training Pathos. destroy the suspects brain. Bombs can be triggered in many ways.

**Sniper** · 27th July 2005, 10:02

Well there is 2 points here and I agree on both terms.

1: 7 shots to the guy was a bit excessive but take into consideration what weapons were used (H&K MP5 3rd burst) and the threat at the time.

2: His problem he got shot, obviously he was doing something wrong or he wouldnt have ran, shit I'de be happy to go through hell to prove my innocence than to getting shot in the head. He knew the risks and why did he run.

The family have no right to sue Scotland Yard as they were doing their jobs. By the way, how to they know he was innocent? What knowledge lurked in the brains?

**unhingedlizard** · 27th July 2005, 10:27

quite, all he needed was a trigger cabletied to his hand and the thought 'well, this is as far as i am going to get, might as well press it now'

**Lou Girardin** · 27th July 2005, 12:21

Originally Posted by Sniper

Well there is 2 points here and I agree on both terms.

1: 7 shots to the guy was a bit excessive but take into consideration what weapons were used (H&K MP5 3rd burst) and the threat at the time.

2: His problem he got shot, obviously he was doing something wrong or he wouldnt have ran, shit I'de be happy to go through hell to prove my innocence than to getting shot in the head. He knew the risks and why did he run.

The family have no right to sue Scotland Yard as they were doing their jobs. By the way, how to they know he was innocent? What knowledge lurked in the brains?

Witnesses said 5 from a handgun. Glock 17?

**Biff** · 27th July 2005, 12:33

Twas indeed a handgun. A Glock 17 semi auto or S&W .38 model 10 depending on which branch the officer was from.

**pete376403** · 27th July 2005, 12:36

[QUOTE=Sniper]
2: His problem he got shot, obviously he was doing something wrong or he wouldnt have ran, shit I'de be happy to go through hell to prove my innocence than to getting shot in the head. He knew the risks and why did he run.QUOTE]
The guy came from Sao Paulo - the murder capital of the world. Running away when being chased by a bunch of people (not in police uniform) waving guns is habit. It's not clear if the Police clearly identified themselves. They will say they did, but then they would say that, wouldn't they?

**Lou Girardin** · 27th July 2005, 14:20

A new report now says 8 rounds! Count 'em, 8. Certainly will be a closed coffin.
The family is claiming compensation.

**Sniper** · 27th July 2005, 14:23

Originally Posted by Biff

depending on which branch the officer was from.

SO19 officers with a Glock 17, excuse my previous mistake, I double checked my facts and was wrong. Sorry.

**mstriumph** · 27th July 2005, 14:38

Oh perleeeease .......... does it matter whether there were eight bullets or a hundred or whether they came from a popgun or a bazooka; i'm afraid that dead is dead irrespective

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