Red lights and other urban myths

[Parlane]

Instead of these continuous TV ads on speed how about the same number on how to use your indicators? Do a hell of a lot more good. How to indicate at round-a-bouts for morons series.

And ads on how to UNZIP as well as zipping. People don't seem to understand the benefits of 1 - 2(at lights) - 1 lanes.

[Zedder]

Instead of these continuous TV ads on speed how about the same number on how to use your indicators? Do a hell of a lot more good. How to indicate at round-a-bouts for morons series.

The advertising budget for the next 2 years would be blown before the message got through!!

[Guided_monkey]

Would love for the poppo's to concentrate on red light runners. Am sick of being at the front of a queue and when my light goes green I still check both ways.

Saved my bacon twice in 5 years.

Last time the offender did not feel like stepping out of his ute and discussing the needs of my 2 yr old daughter to having a dad.

[schrodingers cat]

Got to love the shakey city.

Orange is an emphatic green

Red is simply advanced Orange.

There seems to be quite a delay between Red on one lane and Green on the next to allow for this jiggery pokery.

Classic

[Zedder]

Would love for the poppo's to concentrate on red light runners. Am sick of being at the front of a queue and when my light goes green I still check both ways.

Saved my bacon twice in 5 years.

Last time the offender did not feel like stepping out of his ute and discussing the needs of my 2 yr old daughter to having a dad.

I've had a few "near hits" at lights on my bike in the past. I now don't sit at the front between two cars like a lot of bikers I see and I count to three before taking off if I'm first in the queue.

[rastuscat]

Got to love the shakey city.

Orange is an emphatic green

Red is simply advanced Orange.

There seems to be quite a delay between Red on one lane and Green on the next to allow for this jiggery pokery.

Classic

The shakey city is a gem alright.

An extra phase at a set of lights (green arrow) takes time away from the existing phases, and can cause congestion. In Orkers, they've given up trying to solve congestion, and treat safety more seriously i.e. they use filter arrows. Down here they want to have a foot in each camp, believing they can still calm congestion. The filter arrows are few and far between.

Evidence can be found at Main North / QEII. It used to be our equal worst crash intersection, equal with Manchester/Bealey. The LB movement crash (right turn versus straight through) was the winner in the crash cause competition at each, with 57 injury crashes at each between 2003 and 2007. Thing is, Main North/QEII is a Transit intersection, coz it's a state highway. So there is now a filter arrow to turn right to go North. Luckily we had an earthquake, so Manchester/Bealey is no longer one of our worst either, despite still having no arrow. Different traffic engineers, different philosophy, different priorities.

The only light in Churchur with less than a 4 second amber is Pilgrim Place/Moorhouse, it has 3 seconds. It's the wee road opposite Manchester, and nobdy gets a chance to go fast there, it's too short before the lights. Less orange need for slower cars, you see. At all the big intersection where the limit is 60 or more, the yellow is longer, to allow for the increased stopping distance. A fact not taken into account by those who use the orange as their own personal end phase.

BTW, the law used to say orange, then amber, now it says yellow. And all the time the lights either side have been red and green.

Donuts

[jasonu]

I run a Popo section which does intersection checkpoints. It's coz intersection crashes are us, at least in Churchur.

Everyone you talk to is happy to tell you that hundreds of people go through red lights every day, all you have to do is watch a set of lights and you'll see lots of it.

Thing is, we DO sit at intersections watching traffic flows. I'm the spotter, I call the offences for my troops waiting down the road. I can testify that there aren't actually that many people going through red traffic lights.

Comments welcomed. Donuts too.

You'd make a fortune doing it here.

[Clockwork]

Instead of these continuous TV ads on speed how about the same number on how to use your indicators? Do a hell of a lot more good. How to indicate at round-a-bouts for morons series.

Oh please, YES!

Or how about,
how and when to merge, rather than Give Way. Or
don't speed up when you reach a passing lane. Or
keep left unless you are passing (yes, even if you are already doing the speed limit). Or

well, you get the idea.

[Scuba_Steve]

Wot?

Sorry Scoober, not sure which law you're talking about. Act and Section please.


(b) is occupying a seat fitted with a seat belt, whether or not the seat belt is an approved seat belt; and

(1) A driver must not increase speed when approaching an intersection if any other vehicle is approaching or crossing.

Now you can't tell me anyone other than the 1st car in line can approach an intersection without increasing speed and during the day there will be other vehicles approaching the intersection & the 1st car would be crossing see illegal
Isn't the law fun

Oh and cheers I see I am legally allowed to wear the seatbelt in the landy now

Instead of these continuous TV ads on speed how about the same number on how to use your indicators? Do a hell of a lot more good. How to indicate at round-a-bouts for morons series.

And ads on how to UNZIP as well as zipping. People don't seem to understand the benefits of 1 - 2(at lights) - 1 lanes.

Oh please, YES!

Or how about,
how and when to merge, rather than Give Way. Or
don't speed up when you reach a passing lane. Or
keep left unless you are passing (yes, even if you are already doing the speed limit). Or

well, you get the idea.

Forget about it, I've had it from the horses mouth they have no interest in informing people. Straight up teaching people is not of interest to them, pushing propaganda is.

[FJRider]

Now you can't tell me anyone other than the 1st car in line can approach an intersection without increasing speed and during the day there will be other vehicles approaching the intersection & the 1st car would be crossing see illegal
Isn't the law fun

Originally Posted by Land Transport Road User Rule 2004 4.5(1)

(1) A driver must not increase speed when approaching an intersection if any other vehicle is approaching or crossing.


Simply put ... all cars (not just the first car in line) cannot increase speed if there is an approaching vehicle ... NO specified vehicles from either direction have priorty in law, and the appropriate traffic signals, or give way rules must be obeyed.

Sadly ... the first in first served rule, is not applied in traffic regulations.


Isn't learning to read fun ...

[Usarka]

If we get to nominate our own blitz,

I vote for fuckers that don't move to the side of the lane before they turn. WTF is so hard about moving over. Oh that's right the syphillis infected gonad munchers can't turn a 90 degree corner without taking the same line as an 18 wheeler.

[rastuscat]

Originally Posted by Land Transport Road User Rule 2004 4.5(1)

(1) A driver must not increase speed when approaching an intersection if any other vehicle is approaching or crossing.


Simply put ... all cars (not just the first car in line) cannot increase speed if there is an approaching vehicle ... NO specified vehicles from either direction have priorty in law, and the appropriate traffic signals, or give way rules must be obeyed.

Sadly ... the first in first served rule, is not applied in traffic regulations.


Isn't learning to read fun ...

The thing is, the 'don't increase speed approaching an intersection', while it doesn't say so, relates to uncontrolled intersections. Like, you don't accelerate toward an uncontrolled intersection to beat someone else approaching the same intersection.

Anyway, just my musings, after a cheeky little Shiraz. Oooeerrrrr, sounds rude.

[FJRider]

... you don't accelerate toward an uncontrolled intersection to beat someone else approaching the same intersection.

So .... the first to the intersection can't give the other motorists the finger, as you turn in front of them .... ??? after making a small effort to be first ...

[Scuba_Steve]

The thing is, the 'don't increase speed approaching an intersection', while it doesn't say so, relates to uncontrolled intersections. Like, you don't accelerate toward an uncontrolled intersection to beat someone else approaching the same intersection.

Anyway, just my musings, after a cheeky little Shiraz. Oooeerrrrr, sounds rude.

If it don't say it, it don't restrict it to only that then does it. It's all about how it's written
Tho I do like the sound of making up exceptions... "while it doesn't say not running red lights doesn't count for bikes" That'll give me an excuse for those 3 sets of lights I occasionally have to run a red on as they're those stupid "intelligent" lights that don't sense bikes

[FJRider]

If it don't say it, it don't restrict it to only that then does it. It's all about how it's written
Tho I do like the sound of making up exceptions... "while it doesn't say not running red lights doesn't count for bikes" That'll give me an excuse for those 3 sets of lights I occasionally have to run a red on as they're those stupid "intelligent" lights that don't sense bikes

First make sure they dont have cameras ...