So who's going to do it first?

**scumdog** · 27th July 2005, 16:32

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

MDU, Spud, Scumdog and me.

Is this a PDA?
Or something sicker than the Huntly twins?

Nah, it shows that when it comes to the important stuff in life we are on the same wave-length, - despite aguing to death about minor stuff we don't agree on.

**Ixion** · 27th July 2005, 16:48

Originally Posted by Phurrball

Oh my!

I'll stick with vegetarianism I think - it's a 'get out of jail' free card to avoid eating strange creatures...that said, [just so you can all laugh at me] I'm pretty sure that you're more likely to be poisoned by plants.

[Disregarding foodbourne illness for a moment...Mmmm, African 'bush meat', strange and curious viruses...

]

People can choose to eat any animals they like if they are comfortable with that decision. If you haven't thought about it, or are in denial about how your tasty snack arrived on your plate/sharpened wooden stake etc, perhaps you should rethink your snacking decision.

If you wanna eat such delicacies, then be my guest...but Chicken...now THAT'S a dodgy meat on so many levels...

(A little levity is welcome after such a heavy thread on animal abusing scum - even if it's off topic. In spite of my 'academic' ramblings, I could not be responsible for my actions if I caught a farker abusing a helpless animal.)

I've killed and butchered my own tucker in the past, though most of those were restaurant issue. No illusions where my lamb chop comes from.

But that's a different matter to torturing or killing something just for the sake of inflicting pain.

Like Mr Scumdog said, a quick clean kill, and then into the pot is one thing. Setting fire to kittens is another.

'Tis a question of motive.

**Lou Girardin** · 27th July 2005, 17:14

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Depends if you or MDU are trying to dry root scummies or my leg while we are having that virtual hug.

That's a mighty big assumption about who's rooting what there Spuddy.

**Lou Girardin** · 27th July 2005, 17:15

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

not rootin' ... DRINKIN!

Drinkin' his leg?
My God, you're a sick puppy.

**ManDownUnder** · 27th July 2005, 17:21

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Drinkin' his leg?
My God, you're a sick puppy.

I'm tired - my brain hurts and you dish up THIS!

Bastard (I got a fucken good laugh out of it though... cheers!)
MDU

**spudchucka** · 27th July 2005, 17:32

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

That's a mighty big assumption about who's rooting what there Spuddy.

Well the little smilie hug thing you posted seems to have five huggers, you only named four. I want to know who the fifth phantom hugger is and what his or her motives are before I buy into this lovey dovey hugging crap.

**Waylander** · 27th July 2005, 18:09

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Well the little smilie hug thing you posted seems to have five huggers, you only named four. I want to know who the fifth phantom hugger is and what his or her motives are before I buy into this lovey dovey hugging crap.

WINJA....

**Beemer** · 27th July 2005, 18:11

How pathetic our judges are - tonight's news featured those rugby players who shot at fur seals for 'fun'. Each fined $2000 and also the rugby union plans to punish them as well.

Sorry, but is there any difference between what they did and what those other tossers did to the cats? Buggered if I can see it.

**scumdog** · 27th July 2005, 21:32

Originally Posted by Beemer

How pathetic our judges are - tonight's news featured those rugby players who shot at fur seals for 'fun'. Each fined $2000 and also the rugby union plans to punish them as well.

Sorry, but is there any difference between what they did and what those other tossers did to the cats? Buggered if I can see it.

I guess the difference is the cat burners did it KNOWING it would cause intense pain and suffering.
Still hate what the seal shooters did.

**spudchucka** · 27th July 2005, 21:41

Originally Posted by Beemer

How pathetic our judges are - tonight's news featured those rugby players who shot at fur seals for 'fun'. Each fined $2000 and also the rugby union plans to punish them as well.

Sorry, but is there any difference between what they did and what those other tossers did to the cats? Buggered if I can see it.

The seal was shot and most likely died a quick death. The cats were made to suffer terribly and died an agonising prolonged death. However, the seals are protected by law, ferral cats aren't, (other than the general provention of cruelty legislation), so it will be interesting to see whether the sentencing judge takes into account the suffering those pieces of shit caused.

**Wolf** · 27th July 2005, 22:45

Originally Posted by Ixion

Like Mr Scumdog said, a quick clean kill, and then into the pot is one thing. Setting fire to kittens is another.

'Tis a question of motive.

And how much discomfort is inflicted.

If they had, as Scumdog mentioned, blown the kittens brains out with a .22, I would have seen it as pointless and stupid. The fact they saw fit to torture the animals to death, I find sickening.

I went out hunting with a guy once who, after sighting in his rifle on a small target ad a decent range, saw fit to shoot a kingfisher (several times the size of the target) at about half the range - just for the hell of it. I was not sickened, but I did think he was a retard of some description and I never went hunting with him again. He went after the kingfisher's mate and got seriously pissed with me when I discharged my 7.62x54R Mosin-Nagant rifle into the ground and scared the bird away (the Mosin-Nagant made .303s sound like .22s)

Oh, diddums.

Another guy I went hunting with - pest destruction: rabbits and hares - was a different matter. There were three of us on the back of the ute, me with a 16-shot semi, another with a 10-shot semi and this guy with a 10-shot lever action. The driver had stopped the ute and was aiming the spotlight. We picked up a baby hare in the sights and all of us opened fire, the hare went into evasion mode and was zig-zagging all over the show while the three of us tried desperately to get a proper lead and hit it despite the fact the driver was having difficulty keeping the light on it. We all emptied our mags and the guy with the lever action yelled "guns up" - mine already was as it was empty and it was pointless aiming it anywhere else.

He then jumps off the back of the ute and dives for the baby hare which by this stage is tired and moving very slowly, can't outrun even a human. He grabs it and brings it back, inspecting it in the light - we hadn't hit it with a single shot. That little bugger had zig-zagged out of the way of 36 bullets.

I was thinking "we can't kill it, it won. If he kills it I'll be pissed."

"It's earned the right to live," he says and shoves it down the front of his Swandri, "I've got a couple of kids at home that'll love it."

So we rode around the farm with this baby hare cuddled up inside his Swanny, looking for more rabbits and hares. End result, the hare lived but was no longer damaging crops and grazing on the farm - mission achieved albeit not the way we had planned.

Him, I'd hunt with again - he knows when to concede that the animal won.

**Ixion** · 27th July 2005, 23:10

Originally Posted by Wolf

And how much discomfort is inflicted.

...

True. Though them as hunt for a feed are generally knidly in their despatch. Which makes sense, because meat from an animal that's been highly stressed pre death is tough and not nice to eat.

**Beemer** · 28th July 2005, 08:20

Originally Posted by Wolf

"It's earned the right to live," he says and shoves it down the front of his Swandri, "I've got a couple of kids at home that'll love it."

So we rode around the farm with this baby hare cuddled up inside his Swanny, looking for more rabbits and hares. End result, the hare lived but was no longer damaging crops and grazing on the farm - mission achieved albeit not the way we had planned.

Him, I'd hunt with again - he knows when to concede that the animal won.

I was reading that and thinking "oh no, how could he kill that poor wee bunny now" - but you restored my faith in humanity! So I'm a big softy, too bad, at least I'm not likely to turn into a bunny boiler if things go wrong...

I'm not 100% sure of the background to the fur seal shooting as I missed the beginning of the item and it was a month or so ago when it happened, but they (including an ex-All Black) were shooting at the seals from a boat - not for culling purposes or anything, just to take pot shots. I know at least one died, not sure if any others were injured. One small consolation, the boat they were on sank last week after hitting rocks. One for the fur seals!

Yes, I totally agree with clean killing - it's the deliberate cruelty I abhor. While not the kind of person to go hunting myself, I don't have a problem with hunters who kill for the meat - and I'm not a vegetarian. Mind you, if I had to kill it myself, I probably would be!

**ManDownUnder** · 28th July 2005, 09:09

Originally Posted by Wolf

He went after the kingfisher's mate and got seriously pissed with me when I discharged my 7.62x54R Mosin-Nagant rifle into the ground and scared the bird away (the Mosin-Nagant made .303s sound like .22s)

Originally Posted by Wolf

"It's earned the right to live," he says and shoves it down the front of his Swandri, "I've got a couple of kids at home that'll love it."

So we rode around the farm with this baby hare cuddled up inside his Swanny, looking for more rabbits and hares. End result, the hare lived but was no longer damaging crops and grazing on the farm - mission achieved albeit not the way we had planned.

Him, I'd hunt with again - he knows when to concede that the animal won.

That wasn't in Lumsden was it? I know a guy there that'd do that (Head of the local Pest Destruction Board).