Do you know give way rules changing on 25 March? Give way rule quiz

**_Shrek_** · 19th March 2012, 11:26

Originally Posted by chasio

Declaration: I used to cycle a lot until fairly recently.

Pushbikes are generally pretty slow compared to most other traffic. My take on this scenario is:

1) A cyclist proceeding at average speed e.g. 15-20km/h will not catch up a vehicle ahead of it that is turning left across a cycle lane. So there should be no need for the motorist to yield (unless (2) applies). The cars in this example were being driven as if equipped with 50cc motors, so that creates a false scenario that won't happen that often.

2) Even in the absence of a cycle lane, motorists passing a cyclist on their side of the road have at least a moral obligation to complete the pass in plenty of time if they will soon be turning left, rather than just getting themselves ahead and then cutting the cyclist off. I believe this is supported in law, but cannot quote it. (Anyone?) Cycle lanes really only emphasize this necessity, as I see it.

this is some thing that is done in our house hold

What is so wrong with slowing down and turning left behind the bike after it has cleared the turn? Many do but for those who don't I can only assume that impatience is the primary motivator.

nothing

3) So what happens when the cyclist is quicker than the traffic e.g. clocking 50kmh in the cycle lane and traffic is slow, so a car in front that is turning left should yield? Pretty much that will be a fill your pants moment, possibly followed by an accident. Really, being legally entitled to pass on the left does not remove the moral obligation to use your brain. I agree with SWB on this one: go around on the car's right (or just give way). Passing on the left is not a right that is worth risking life and limb to defend.

this point is the one that will cause the probs

after watching a cyclist the other day come off a footpath behind a car turning left just so he didn't have to stop & give way to the car, & then flips the old fella the bird for not giving way

**FJRider** · 19th March 2012, 11:27

Originally Posted by _Shrek_

well I stand corrected on the cycle lanes!!! after being in Alex over the weekend I took note that they do go across T intersections as broken white lines, run out at rounder bouts & four way intersections

so while cyclists have the right of way at T intersectons they loss it on rounder bouts etc...

No ... no loss of the right of way ...They become/are just another vehicle. And as such, have the rights of all OTHER vehicles in roundabouts.

**_Shrek_** · 19th March 2012, 11:35

Originally Posted by FJRider

No ... no loss of the right of way ...They become/are just another vehicle. And as such, have the rights of all OTHER vehicles in roundabouts.

I know they become just another vehicle!!! Trev but most cyclists will think they can still come up on your inside & have right of way & I've watched it happen

**FJRider** · 19th March 2012, 11:44

Originally Posted by _Shrek_

I know they become just another vehicle!!! Trev but most cyclists will think they can still come up on your inside & have right of way & I've watched it happen

I have seen that too ... I treadly up the middle of the lane in the roundabout. A cop has even given a car a ticket for not giving way to me. I did lol when I saw that. (she wasn't lolling though)

**Stylo** · 20th March 2012, 19:10

Been out in the car today - practising the new Give way rules ...

Can't say I've made too many friends ...

**MSTRS:Me** · 21st March 2012, 07:51

Originally Posted by Stylo

Been out in the car today - practising the new Give way rules ...

Can't say I've made too many friends ...

Well duh...you're supposed to know them, but not do them until the 25th

**steve_t** · 21st March 2012, 07:53

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Well duh...you're supposed to know them, but not do them until the 25th

LOL

**nadroj** · 22nd March 2012, 06:15

I'm glad my bike is blue - I won't have to give way to anyone........

**pzkpfw** · 22nd March 2012, 08:25

Where I think the issues will come, are the edge cases. The advertising is hitting the specific changes hard, but they don't seem to say much about combined situations.

Pic 1: C would have to give way to A, but A has to give way to B. So while B goes 'round the corner will/can C just go? I bet there will be cases where people will get confused, and the wrong two will go, leading to dings.

Pic 2: People are used to position-based rules ("give way to your right") and the new situation-based rule ("Top of the T goes before me") changes that. On the four-way uncontrolled intersections - will people apply the new positional rule? I bet there will be cases where both blue cars go...

**Clockwork** · 22nd March 2012, 08:46

Sorry, slightly off topic but there have been many comments on thus thread about cyclists in cycle lanes.

Do cycle lanes actually exist in a statutory sense as do bus lanes? I thought they were simply a curtesy device (such as those curtesy crossings) they assist with traffic separation but have no legal standing. Without such statutory definition my assumption would be that if a bicycle passed a moving vehicle on its left they are legally in the same lane and the cyclist has committed a passing offense. Likewise, there would be no rules prohibiting cars from driving over/along cycle lanes as there are for the use of bus lanes.

**_Shrek_** · 22nd March 2012, 08:52

Originally Posted by pzkpfw

Where I think the issues will come, are the edge cases. The advertising is hitting the specific changes hard, but they don't seem to say much about combined situations.

Pic 1: C would have to give way to A, but A has to give way to B. So while B goes 'round the corner will/can C just go? I bet there will be cases where people will get confused, and the wrong two will go, leading to dings.

Pic 2: People are used to position-based rules ("give way to your right") and the new situation-based rule ("Top of the T goes before me") changes that. On the four-way uncontrolled intersections - will people apply the new positional rule? I bet there will be cases where both blue cars go...

1 both green have right of way = B has right of way, now if A is not over the lane stopping C,

I would go if I sore indecision in A, other wise sit & wait as A has right of way

2 green has right of way = the + means right hand rule applies!!! this has not changed

me thinks peeps just have to be a bit patient for a bit!!!!

that means me too

**Scuba_Steve** · 22nd March 2012, 08:56

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Sorry, slightly off topic but there have been many comments on thus thread about cyclists in cycle lanes.

Do cycle lanes actually exist in a statutory sense as do bus lanes? I thought they were simply a curtesy device (such as those curtesy crossings) they assist with traffic separation but have no legal standing. Without such statutory definition my assumption would be that if a bicycle passed a moving vehicle on its left they are legally in the same lane and the cyclist has committed a passing offense. Likewise, there would be no rules prohibiting cars from driving over/along cycle lanes as there are for the use of bus lanes.

yea they do exist and you can drive over them (as per bottom extract)

special vehicle lane means a lane defined by signs or mark- ings as restricted to a specified class or classes of vehicle; and includes a bus lane, a transit lane, a cycle lane, and a light rail vehicle lane

Special vehicle lanes
This rule establishes provisions for special vehicle lanes that include prohibiting driving along a special vehicle lane, permitting drivers to cross a special vehicle lane when proceeding to turn or in the process of parking, and prohibiting parking or standing on a special vehicle lane.

**MSTRS:Me** · 22nd March 2012, 08:58

See #4 ... http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...lanes&p=1&sr=2

A lane is just that, a lane, and as such is separate from any other lane and is subject to any provisos that relate to that type of lane.