Do you know give way rules changing on 25 March? Give way rule quiz

**steve_t** · 16th March 2012, 16:26

Originally Posted by oneofsix

Not quite. It is/was called a shadow turn and you were allowed to turn in the shadow of the straight through car IF that car was blocking the right turner. But as you couldn't get past the left turner, there was no shadow so the left turn still had to give way to the right turner.

Don't worry it the shadow turn is the same sort of thing people can't work out at round abouts, if the vehicle that you are thinking about giving way to can't go because of another vehicle then there isn't a need to give way to them.

Oh man, so I'm the numpty! Actually, I did end up going squeezing around the left turning car in the end cos nobody was going. But it just goes to prove the point that the current rule is dumb and the sooner everyone gets used to the change, the better. I guess I need to brush up on my road rules!

**_Shrek_** · 16th March 2012, 16:36

Originally Posted by jasonu

Now that is a good test and after doing it if any of you thick cunts still can't figure out the rules then you shouldn't be on the roads!

a good test but, the push bike should be overtaking on right side not the left of turning car, this is going to cause a shit load of problems

**Scuba_Steve** · 16th March 2012, 16:37

Originally Posted by swbarnett

That cyclist is just asking for trouble. Under no circumstances should a vehicle be undertaken. The cyclist should've passed the car on the right, cycle lane or no.

asking for trouble or not, he is the norm & this will make deadly pedleys more dangerous than they already are

**jasonu** · 16th March 2012, 16:59

Originally Posted by _Shrek_

a good test but, the push bike should be overtaking on right side not the left of turning car, this is going to cause a shit load of problems

Yes I agree.
Really though if a cyclist is stupid enough to undertake a left turning car assuming he has been seen and will have the right of way and then gets clobbered by the left turning car, I say tough shit for the cyclist. Being so vunerable he should not rely on others seeing him. There will be a lot of SMIDSY's in this situation. It is the same on a motorcycle, if you have the right of way and still get hit you will always come off second best. Defensive driving and commonsense is what it is all about.

**Berries** · 16th March 2012, 17:31

Originally Posted by steve_t

The guy in front of me was turning left and there was an oncoming car turning right. The guy in front of me didn't bother to check that I was behind him going straight so stopped to give way. He was supposed to go. I couldn't squeeze around him (I was in the car) so all 3 of us came to a stand still at the intersection for several seconds. The current rule is too hard for most numpty drivers - When turning left, give way to oncoming vehicles turning right EXCEPT if there is a vehicle behind you going straight.

Woooah. If that has been your understanding for the last X number of years I am surprised you haven't been taken out turning left.

Originally Posted by steve_t

I guess I need to brush up on my road rules!

Quite possibly.

**Stylo** · 16th March 2012, 17:46

Originally Posted by Berries

Woooah. If that has been your understanding for the last X number of years I am surprised you haven't been taken out turning left.

Quite possibly.

Started practising the new Give Rules in the car last Wednesday ...

Can't say i've made too many new friends since then.....

**swbarnett** · 16th March 2012, 18:20

Originally Posted by pritch

Nah. Do what I do, ride on the footpath.

SWB, that sounds wierd. There has been a bad traffic situation here the last few days due to work on a bridge on the main northern route out of town.
On the moped I've 'filtered" past hundreds of cars using the cycle lane until I could take to the footpath to cross the bridge.

I've lost count of the numer of close calls I've seen caused by a cyclist travelling at least twice as fast as the line of cars down the left side.

Unless the line of cars is truly stationary and showing absolutely no signs of wanting to turn left I would not pass cars in the cycle lane, bicycle or motorcycle. You're just too close to take evasive action. When I used to cycle to work I would pass left-turning cars as I described. I refuse to put myself in a position that makes a SMIDSY almost inevitable.

**FJRider** · 16th March 2012, 18:25

Originally Posted by Stylo

Started practising the new Give Rules in the car last Wednesday ...

Can't say i've made too many new friends since then.....

If it doesn't work out by the 25th ... go back to the old way.

**FJRider** · 16th March 2012, 18:39

Originally Posted by _Shrek_

a good test but, the push bike should be overtaking on right side not the left of turning car, this is going to cause a shit load of problems

Not if there is a cycle lane. If a car has to cross a "shared" space of roadway ie: a cycle lane/footpath ... the respective cyclist/pedestrian has right of way. Although most entering supermarket carparks seem unaware of this.

Cyclists need to be aware of ... and adapt to the new rules ... just like everybody else.

And when is the new NZ wide tag being put up ... ???

**swbarnett** · 16th March 2012, 19:37

Originally Posted by FJRider

Not if there is a cycle lane. If a car has to cross a "shared" space of roadway ie: a cycle lane/footpath ... the respective cyclist/pedestrian has right of way. Although most entering supermarket carparks seem unaware of this.

Cyclists need to be aware of ... and adapt to the new rules ... just like everybody else.

And when is the new NZ wide tag being put up ... ???

This is why I hate cycle lanes with a passion. They are accidents waiting to happen. A confident cyclist is better off without them.

**FJRider** · 16th March 2012, 19:43

Originally Posted by swbarnett

This is why I hate cycle lanes with a passion. They are accidents waiting to happen. A confident cyclist is better off without them.

If all cyclists behaved as they did in that test vid ... we would ALL be much happier.

And if we all behaved ... we wouldn't need a cycle lane.

**Maha** · 17th March 2012, 07:11

Originally Posted by oneofsix

what was hard about if they are on your right give way? or to make it more personal if they are going to hit your right side, stop.
What's hard is the confusion that is going to occur or the object that is going to hit you when you aren't expecting it

BTW it isn't always if you are turning right give way but it used to be always give way to the right, now there will be an except.

Originally Posted by Maha

The word Vigilant comes to mind...
All what you say, happens now...that wont change.
And show me a reference where, if you are turning right give way, wont be law?
Some thngs are just way over-thought.

Still looking for a suitable reference?

Or is that proving impossible?

**Scuba_Steve** · 17th March 2012, 07:38

Originally Posted by Maha

Still looking for a suitable reference?

Or is that proving impossible?

roundabouts is the obvious 1 (this seems to be providing a challenge for most people on the tests), then there'd be stop vs give-way, & green arrows at lights

**Maha** · 17th March 2012, 08:28

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

roundabouts is the obvious 1 (this seems to be providing a challenge for most people on the tests), then there'd be stop vs give-way, & green arrows at lights

The round-a-bout give way rule stays the same, no change = no matter.
Stop V Give way...? If you are turning right, you give way..its not a hard thing.
Change (however little) can be expanded to great worries for some, for no reason other than thier inability think simplistic.