NZTA = money grubbing swine

[Bassmatt]

Could someone decipher/translate that please.

I think he is saying that they wouldnt issue a wof until he had paid the $500 of "unpaid rego" for the car he didnt put on hold while it was off the road.....I could be wrong tho. I dont ususally bother trying to dechiper his posts.

[FJRider]

I think he is saying that they wouldnt issue a wof until he had paid the $500 of "unpaid rego" for the car he didnt put on hold while it was off the road.....I could be wrong tho. I dont ususally bother trying to dechiper his posts.

But you need a WOF to buy the rego ???

[Scuba_Steve]

Could someone decipher/translate that please.

I think he is saying that they wouldnt issue a wof until he had paid the $500 of "unpaid rego" for the car he didnt put on hold while it was off the road.....I could be wrong tho. I dont ususally bother trying to dechiper his posts.

I believe what is being said is, rego elapsed (not on-hold) so he got hit up for the money by NZTA & for him to re-licence the vehicle he has to go thorough the re-registration process hence the "500$ WOF" as it's not the straight WOF

[davereid]

not sure where your argument starts and where the quote ends but it looks like typical enforcement mentality and nothing to do with justice and fairness.

Thats exactly what continuous vehicle licencing is all about.

Its just an attack on the poor or uneducated.

The wealthy can afford to be licensed all the time. The educated know how to get around the system, and will manage it by putting vehicles on hold, flicking owners or vehicle classes.

But the poor uneducated man can't afford to relicense. He doesn't know he has to apply to not relicense, so he doesn't do it.

A year later his vehicle is de-registered, he is listed as a bad debtor at baycorp, and if he wants to get his vehicle back legally on the road he faces a complicated and expensive battle.

Fortunately its only the poor and weak that fall in the trap.

[Fast Eddie]

The educated know how to get around the system, and will manage it by putting vehicles on hold, flicking owners or vehicle classes.

being uneducated, I'd like to know more about these said ways..

haha I have bikes on hold and they tell me I have to have it on hold for a minimum of 3 months or i have to pay back to when it expired.. which is a bit of a pain, I'd reregister within 3 months sometimes if I could.

[Ocean1]

What I want to know is how you register a bike with no WOF, and no liklihood of getting one in the near future.

Or even how to put it on hold, without the WOF...

Y'see? Y'fckud, can't avoid the cost and can't pay for the service I'm not getting either.

[Zedder]

I believe what is being said is, rego elapsed (not on-hold) so he got hit up for the money by NZTA & for him to re-licence the vehicle he has to go thorough the re-registration process hence the "500$ WOF" as it's not the straight WOF

'On ya Scube.

[Bassmatt]

So if you need a wof to get a rego, and while your vehicle is unregistered you didnt continue to renew your wof, then how can they charge you for a rego that you couldn't have because you didnt have a wof??

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[oneofsix]

So if you need a wof to get a rego, and while your vehicle is unregistered you didnt continue to renew your wof, then how can they charge you for a rego that you couldn't have because you didnt have a wof??

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and what's more they knew you didn't have a WOF so had no intention of registering the vehicle because it is all recorded in their database. therefore logically the vehicle was still on hold and the demand for $ is demanding money on false pretences with menace (threat of Baycorp etc).
Which again brings us back to the title of the thread.

[Gremlin]

So if you need a wof to get a rego, and while your vehicle is unregistered you didnt continue to renew your wof, then how can they charge you for a rego that you couldn't have because you didnt have a wof??

Coz it's a government department of course!

[Bassmatt]

Coz it's a government department of course!

Not that I would know, but it seems like legally shaky ground to me.

[Scuba_Steve]

Thats exactly what continuous vehicle licencing is all about.

Its just an attack on the poor or uneducated.

The wealthy can afford to be licensed all the time. The educated know how to get around the system, and will manage it by putting vehicles on hold, flicking owners or vehicle classes.

But the poor uneducated man can't afford to relicense. He doesn't know he has to apply to not relicense, so he doesn't do it.

A year later his vehicle is de-registered, he is listed as a bad debtor at baycorp, and if he wants to get his vehicle back legally on the road he faces a complicated and expensive battle.

Fortunately its only the poor and weak that fall in the trap.

shame it's these same "uneducated" folk that fix these same cars when they break... and people wonder why mechanics cost so much & manage to find faults that weren't there

[HenryDorsetCase]

Fortunately its only the poor and weak that fall in the trap.

the only trouble is that they have time on their hands and they know about the welfare state so they spend their time breeding the next generation of "disadvantaged" who I support with my taxes. Thats OK though, I've got heaps of money and feel I need to do my bit.

[Subike]

So mush ado about something so simple that even I can understand it and use it properly
I researched the rules
I own a Bike, It is my responsibility to keep is legally in the registration system
That bike is on license hold and has been so continuously for the past 7 years
I have move lodgings 4 times in that 7 years, each time I was responsible and notified them of the change of address
Thus I got reminders the due date for license exemption was about to expire, 3 weeks in advance.
Now it takes 10 min max to do it on line, My responsibility.
I also license this same bike for a week at a time when I want to use it,
I use an MR27 form to do so, and the evening after I license it for 7 days, I put it back on exception for 12mths.
This keeps the registration alive.
In all I have never had to pay any overdue fees, for the continuous licensing of my bike because I use the exemption system properly.
It has nothing to do with revenue gathering
It design can assist those who do not have big incomes, and cannot afford to pay 12mth license continuously for multiple vehicles.
Ignorance of the the licensing system, and the exemption system seems to be the biggest fault I read in this thread.

I actually have two bikes now on license exemption, so their registration is safe.
I use to have 7 vehicles on exemption, and always got reminders when the exemptions were due to expire

All the information re exemption and licensing and vehicle registration is freely available to all,
Even the uneducated like me can find out what to do, and beneficiaries if they are not lazy have plenty of free time to do so

[davereid]

It design can assist those who do not have big incomes, and cannot afford to pay 12mth license continuously for multiple vehicles.

We used to have a simpler system. When your vehicle licence lapsed, you stopped using you vehicle on the road. You could go and buy a new licence at any time. It assisted those who did not have big incomes a lot more than the new system, which a casula observer could say is designed to catch the unwary, and liberate money from them.

No one has every been able to explain to me why we need continuous vehicle licensing.

They say people used to drive an unlicensed vehicle under the old system. Hmm I know for sure that hasn't changed.
They say people used to steal a month here and there, as the old label did not show the expiry day. The new label has fixed that.

One thing we do know. The new system costs a lot of people a lot of annoyance, and it cost millions and millions to administer.

On the bright side we are kiwis. So we will never actually change it.