NZTA = money grubbing swine

[oneofsix]

So mush ado about something so simple that even I can understand it and use it properly
I researched the rules
I own a Bike, It is my responsibility to keep is legally in the registration system
That bike is on license hold and has been so continuously for the past 7 years
I have move lodgings 4 times in that 7 years, each time I was responsible and notified them of the change of address
Thus I got reminders the due date for license exemption was about to expire, 3 weeks in advance.
Now it takes 10 min max to do it on line, My responsibility.
I also license this same bike for a week at a time when I want to use it,
I use an MR27 form to do so, and the evening after I license it for 7 days, I put it back on exception for 12mths.
This keeps the registration alive.
In all I have never had to pay any overdue fees, for the continuous licensing of my bike because I use the exemption system properly.
It has nothing to do with revenue gathering
It design can assist those who do not have big incomes, and cannot afford to pay 12mth license continuously for multiple vehicles.
Ignorance of the the licensing system, and the exemption system seems to be the biggest fault I read in this thread.

I actually have two bikes now on license exemption, so their registration is safe.
I use to have 7 vehicles on exemption, and always got reminders when the exemptions were due to expire

All the information re exemption and licensing and vehicle registration is freely available to all,
Even the uneducated like me can find out what to do, and beneficiaries if they are not lazy have plenty of free time to do so

Why? have you asked yourself that simple question? When they have all the power and systems and know where you live, when you moved, when you own the bike, when your registration exemption is expiring and it is them that want the tax, so why?

[oneofsix]

We used to have a simpler system. When your vehicle licence lapsed, you stopped using you vehicle on the road. You could go and buy a new licence at any time. It assisted those who did not have big incomes a lot more than the new system, which a casula observer could say is designed to catch the unwary, and liberate money from them.

No one has every been able to explain to me why we need continuous vehicle licensing.

They say people used to drive an unlicensed vehicle under the old system. Hmm I know for sure that hasn't changed.
They say people used to steal a month here and there, as the old label did not show the expiry day. The new label has fixed that.

One thing we do know. The new system costs a lot of people a lot of annoyance, and it cost millions and millions to administer.

On the bright side we are kiwis. So we will never actually change it.

Quite right because we are Kiwis we will say she'll be right and make apologise for a failed system (like subike and others), try to patch it up with our virtual No 8 wire and bury our head in the amber liquid.

[Dodgy]

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But the poor uneducated man can't afford to relicense. He doesn't know he has to apply to not relicense, so he doesn't do it.

My god, well if someone is so uneducated that they are not capable of understanding this simple transaction (which as I recall is outlined with the reminder notice) - should they even be allowed to posess a motorcycle licence?

[oneofsix]

My god, well if someone is so uneducated that they are not capable of understanding this simple transaction (which as I recall is outlined with the reminder notice) - should they even be allowed to posess a motorcycle licence?

Capable of understanding it but too busy worrying about feeding the family and paying the rent to give a toss. They have put it on hold too long ago to remember and the key thing on their mind is its broken. The NZTA have the big powerful computers to know when its due and they are the ones that want the money. Quite simple really.

[Dodgy]

Well, it all comes down to personal responsibility I guess. If I dont sort out reminding myself to go online and get an exemption, then I end up paying for my oversight. Sorta like brushing my teeth and wiping my arse - personal responsibility

[Swoop]

...they tell me I have to have it on hold for a minimum of 3 months or i have to pay back to when it expired.

Hence the better option of putting on hold for a period of 12 months.

What I want to know is how you register a bike with no WOF, and no liklihood of getting one in the near future.

A: Photoshop.

[davereid]

My god, well if someone is so uneducated that they are not capable of understanding this simple transaction (which as I recall is outlined with the reminder notice) - should they even be allowed to posess a motorcycle licence?

It was a simpler transaction and hurt no one, and saved millions in management when you just purchased the registration you needed.

This comes from the BDSM school of management. Its loved by fetishists the world over. Im sure the NZTA are experts.

You may go in the Kitchen if you are not wearing panties or shoes. You may go in the hall only if you are wearing high heels. You must apply for a permit to go to the toilet. Permits are valid for three minutes. If you need to go to the toilet but you are in the kitchen you must go to the bedroom to get your high heels. To go in the bedroom you need a collar. Its stored in the shed.

Violators punished.

Luckily no one would be too uneducated, or god forbid too concerned about other things to fail to understand and obey such simple rules.

[Fast Eddie]

Hence the better option of putting on hold for a period of 12 months.

hmm yea what I understood from the guy at the AA was no matter what length u choose, 3, 6, 9 or 12 months on hold. the bike reg must be on hold for a minimum of 3 months otherwise if u try and re-reg before the min 3 months is up u pay from back when the reg expired in the firstplace. so having it on hold for only a month or 2 months or 2 and 9/10ths month is not possible, in order to not have to pay for the rego for when the bike is off the road u have to keep it off the road for 3 months and 1 day.

just what the AA dude was drilling into me.


my situation was i only wanted to put it on hold for 4-6 weeks during engine rebuild. apparently not possible. either i pay for the month and a half its not on the road, or I keep it off the road for 3 months min

[Scuba_Steve]

hmm yea what I understood from the guy at the AA was no matter what length u choose, 3, 6, 9 or 12 months on hold. the bike reg must be on hold for a minimum of 3 months otherwise if u try and re-reg before the min 3 months is up u pay from back when the reg expired in the firstplace. so having it on hold for only a month or 2 months or 2 and 9/10ths month is not possible, in order to not have to pay for the rego for when the bike is off the road u have to keep it off the road for 3 months and 1 day.

just what the AA dude was drilling into me.

yep and it's only in 3 month bursts, so if you did take it off for 12 months but wanted to bring it back on at 5 months you'll be backdated to the 3 month period, and forced to pay the 2 months after you never used. The system is straight up extortion

[Bassmatt]

my situation was i only wanted to put it on hold for 4-6 weeks during engine rebuild. apparently not possible. either i pay for the month and a half its not on the road, or I keep it off the road for 3 months min

Or ride it for 6 weeks with no rego and give NZTA a big fuck you.

[Subike]

yep and it's only in 3 month bursts, so if you did take it off for 12 months but wanted to bring it back on at 5 months you'll be backdated to the 3 month period, and forced to pay the 2 months after you never used. The system is straight up extortion

sorry wrong
put vehicle on hold for 12 mths,
any time AFTER the first three months the license will run from that day
any time After the last day of the license, and BEFORE the 3 mth min time,
back license fees are payable to last date of the former licence,
thus the term continuous license if NOT on exemption.
Putting the vehicle license on hold via the exemption system, ensures that the registration does not lapse.
If as stated above you put said vehicle on exemption for 12 mths,
then license it after 5 mths
the license will go from that date, not backdated.

[_Shrek_]

sorry wrong
put vehicle on hold for 12 mths,
any time AFTER the first three months the license will run from that day
any time After the last day of the license, and BEFORE the 3 mth min time,
back license fees are payable to last date of the former licence,
thus the term continuous license if NOT on exemption.
Putting the vehicle license on hold via the exemption system, ensures that the registration does not lapse.
If as stated above you put said vehicle on exemption for 12 mths,
then license it after 5 mths
the license will go from that date, not backdated.

aye right on the money there Subike, we do that here

[Scuba_Steve]

sorry wrong
put vehicle on hold for 12 mths,
any time AFTER the first three months the license will run from that day
any time After the last day of the license, and BEFORE the 3 mth min time,
back license fees are payable to last date of the former licence,
thus the term continuous license if NOT on exemption.
Putting the vehicle license on hold via the exemption system, ensures that the registration does not lapse.
If as stated above you put said vehicle on exemption for 12 mths,
then license it after 5 mths
the license will go from that date, not backdated.

then those NZTA wankers tried to rip me off... again

[Coldrider]

then those NZTA wankers tried to rip me off... again

Counter jockeys (nice people normally) at the post shop agencies, bookshop agencies etc don't necessarily have all the 'product' knowlege. So you have to be sure yourself, or go to VTNZ.

[Subike]

Counter jockeys (nice people normally) at the post shop agencies, bookshop agencies etc don't necessarily have all the 'product' knowlege. So you have to be sure yourself, or go to VTNZ.

very much what he said
cant remember how many disputes I have had using an MR27 form