Free tyres!

[JayRacer37]

Not sure I understand this....if I am in a country where the oem tyre is necessary to meet a standard does that mean I wont be able to purchase the non oem tyre in that country? Why fit them at all then if the bike owner cant replace with the same model? (from a marketing point of view)

You'll lose that bet, then.
The Ohlins forks on say an 03 RSVR have what looks like cast iron pistons in them, don't use the bending shimstack mid-valve, nor do they have top out springs. They are VERY different to over-the-counter ones.

I would bet the shock on the RSVR doesnt have an equivalent over the counter model with the same model number like the tyres do. (?)

It can mean that yes, my understanding is in some EU countries you have a choice of 'approved' tyre's to remain legal for their WOF.

Also, they tyre's do not have the same number - they are labeled and marked with a designation as a particular OEM tyre.

[nodrog:Me]

Yeah man, I'm full of it!

Obviously

Now can I have some free tyres?

[Bassmatt]

It can mean that yes, my understanding is in some EU countries you have a choice of 'approved' tyre's to remain legal for their WOF.

It seems the general feeling is oem tyres are shit compared to non oem but in some countries you can only use the oem? Lucky them

Also, they tyre's do not have the same number - they are labeled and marked with a designation as a particular OEM tyre.

So you have said, although I didnt notice any different designation on my oem 021s and non oem. Not saying it wasnt there but its certainly not obvious if you are not looking for it.

[p.dath]

Not that I can see myself being able to afford a "new" motorbike in the next decade; but I have to say after this eye opening conversation I'd be tempted to negotiate with the dealer having the OEM tyres removed and replaced with "off the shelf" versions.

[SimJen]

good luck with that, think of it more like buying a new printer for your pc. The little ink cartridges are tiny compared to the ones you buy, but noone seems to care!
I have no problem with it, it seems to be standard practice anyway.
To keep the bikes at the correct price bracket, Im sure there are plenty of other areas that are skimped on too! We'd be surprised!
Most people on a brand new bike will take a few thousand km's to run it in/get to grips with it anyway.
Once thats done, many put on a different brand tyre, so really doesn't make much difference to the end consumer.

[mossy1200]

yeah, what would the guy that sells tyres for a living know.

The 2 brand new bikes that I have owned have displayed some weird shit on their OEM tyres -

A K6 GSXR1000 which the front and rear tyres wore out at the same time and were completly rooted at 1500k's. And an 2009 ZX6R which did the same, except for lasting to about 2000k's.

Any off the shelf sets I have had, the front tyre outlasts the rear at aproximatly 1 front to 2 rears.

Or maybe it was just the shit bridgestones both bikes came out with?

oh, it looks like Jay isnt the only one talking shit, better tell these guys they are wrong too.

In 1999 I bought a new rsv1000 and the rear needed replaced at first service.I cant remember the tyre type but it may have been sportmax.

[Kickaha]

A K6 GSXR1000 which the front and rear tyres wore out at the same time and were completly rooted at 1500k's. And an 2009 ZX6R which did the same, except for lasting to about 2000k's.

Fuck you sound like you're hard on gear

I'd be tempted to negotiate with the dealer having the OEM tyres removed and replaced with "off the shelf" versions.

If I could afford a new bike I would be telling the dealer what tyres I wanted on it when I took delivery, it's a fairly common thing with cars I can't see why people wouldn't do it with bikes

[JayRacer37]

So you have said, although I didnt notice any different designation on my oem 021s and non oem. Not saying it wasnt there but its certainly not obvious if you are not looking for it.

Yeah, you probably aren't always going to notice a difference, and sometimes the difference is slight. In other instances the difference can be massive. The main class that the OEM and aftermarket tyres are significantly different in is probably sports/hypersport's tyres.

If I could afford a new bike I would be telling the dealer what tyres I wanted on it when I took delivery, it's a fairly common thing with cars I can't see why people wouldn't do it with bikes

Yeah, I am with you Kick - it could be well worth the negotiation with the dealer.

[Gremlin]

but I have to say after this eye opening conversation I'd be tempted to negotiate with the dealer having the OEM tyres removed and replaced with "off the shelf" versions.

Yep, dealers have done this before. Not normally too much of an issue as they're all new.

[pritch]

I had previously read that Dunlop did their sales a lot of damage with some sub-standard OEM fitments.
People who had sufered the cheapo OE Dunlops would buy something else when it came time for replacement. Anything else.

The Sportsmart and Roadsmart tyres have received such good reviews that they may repair the damage. Or not.

Having experienced the Bridgestone 020s fitted as OE on my VFR I can understand this.
There is still no way I am going to risk $600 plus on a brand with which I had a bad experience.
There are several other brands with which I haven't had a problem so my dollars go to one of those

[Conquiztador]

I had previously read that Dunlop did their sales a lot of damage with some sub-standard OEM fitments.
People who had sufered the cheapo OE Dunlops would buy something else when it came time for replacement. Anything else.

The Sportsmart and Roadsmart tyres have received such good reviews that they may repair the damage. Or not.

Having experienced the Bridgestone 020s fitted as OE on my VFR I can understand this.
There is still no way I am going to risk $600 plus on a brand with which I had a bad experience.
There are several other brands with which I haven't had a problem so my dollars go to one of those

Totally agree and I function the same. In THIS thread I talk re being recommended a Pirelli Sport Demon, so I got one but was very disappointed. And as a result will not use Pirelli again. Hmmm... perhaps it was a left over OEM tyre that someone had replaced on a new bike??? Nahh...

[mossy1200]

Leading tire companies are doing their part for the enviroment recycling used rubber into oem budget tyres.

[Pussy]

Quite honestly... OEM tyres aren't necessarily shite... they are just often a bit different to the generic ones.
While every one else is packing a sad, I'll go enjoy a set of over-the-counter S20s when they become available.

[slofox]

I had previously read that Dunlop did their sales a lot of damage with some sub-standard OEM fitments.

Dunlop certainly lost me as a potential tyre customer after experiencing the OEM tyres on the SV I bought new. When they finally wore out and I replaced them with Michelin PR2's, the contrast was prodigious. I have not even contemplated buying Dunlop since.

[mossy1200]

Dunlop certainly lost me as a potential tyre customer after experiencing the OEM tyres on the SV I bought new. When they finally wore out and I replaced them with Michelin PR2's, the contrast was prodigious. I have not even contemplated buying Dunlop since.

You like pr2s im about to pull mine off and replace with the new conti sport when they arrive.If you want a spare 120 front done 2000km cheap let me know.