Photoshoppers?

**ducatilover** · 13th March 2012, 01:19

Originally Posted by Tigadee

Why not just buy this? Sorted...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-457045365.htm

If I wanted to do it like that it'd already be done, not really my thing even though it's neat.

Originally Posted by mossy1200

Im thinking this

Not a fan of the MT-01 muffler, the rest is grouse though

Originally Posted by riffer

Big Dave is right.

And not one of you clowns has even noticed there's no front brakes on the bike. WTF?

There's a lot missing from the bike mate...

**ducatilover** · 13th March 2012, 01:20

Originally Posted by tigertim20

Dont worry, those forks will the right side up again by the time he's finished doing his wheelie

Reckon these ones will bend or will I rip the head stock out?

**nathanwhite** · 13th March 2012, 06:11

Originally Posted by riffer

Big Dave is right.

You guys suck at Photoshop.

Flat colour washes and "spin the circle" colour wheel corrections are the hallmarks of amateurs.

Think about the luminosity of the colour and the effect of light and shadow on the colours and you might start getting somewhere.

When you have very limited time between classes (on an art and design course no less) you don't bother with fancy stuff. It's spitballing, playing with colours, getting the idea out and concreted. Have you seen pre-vis work for 3d and VFX'd movies? There is a whole department that just makes that makes super basic content, just so the idea is nailed down.

If this was paid work, the first thing I would do is get some better photos of the bike (yes, even if I had to ride down there) Do you know how hard it is to make clipped white into black without directly applying colour?

I don't take offense at your statements, just a little miffed you didn't seem to realize that its not supposed to be a full out judged photomanipulation.

**Timmeh:P** · 13th March 2012, 07:58

Originally Posted by nathanwhite

When you have very limited time between classes (on an art and design course no less) you don't bother with fancy stuff. It's spitballing, playing with colours, getting the idea out and concreted. Have you seen pre-vis work for 3d and VFX'd movies? There is a whole department that just makes that makes super basic content, just so the idea is nailed down.

If this was paid work, the first thing I would do is get some better photos of the bike (yes, even if I had to ride down there) Do you know how hard it is to make clipped white into black without directly applying colour?

I don't take offense at your statements, just a little miffed you didn't seem to realize that its not supposed to be a full out judged photomanipulation.

Agree with ya nathanwhite. I am in the media design industry as a senior visualization artist. And what I am seeing is basically all you can do with this particular image without 3d modelling the coloured elements, rendering the different colour options and applying it in photoshop.

**riffer** · 13th March 2012, 08:24

Originally Posted by nathanwhite

Do you know how hard it is to make clipped white into black without directly applying colour?.

Yeah I do actually. I've been using Photoshop since version 1.5.

[QUOTE=Timmeh:P;1130280295What I am seeing is basically all you can do with this particular image without 3d modelling the coloured elements, rendering the different colour options and applying it in photoshop.[/QUOTE]

Bollocks. Try copying the tank image, copy out to grayscale and tweak the levels and invert to create the alpha and use that to determine the amount of colour to start with. Then build up with an airbrush.

I realise it's a quick render. Honestly, this started out as a jokey off the cuff comment. Your replies though make me despair at the level of talent left in the retouching industry. Retouchers have gotten lazy. I knew this would happen and argued the point with the Adobe programmers many years ago.

**nathanwhite** · 13th March 2012, 10:05

Originally Posted by riffer

Bollocks. Try copying the tank image, copy out to grayscale and tweak the levels and invert to create the alpha and use that to determine the amount of colour to start with. Then build up with an airbrush.

I tried that. It got a little muddled halfway though. Could you show me what you mean?

Originally Posted by riffer

I realise it's a quick render. Honestly, this started out as a jokey off the cuff comment. Your replies though make me despair at the level of talent left in the retouching industry. Retouchers have gotten lazy. I knew this would happen and argued the point with the Adobe programmers many years ago.

If you can show me a efficient method of turning the body of that bike in that photo black, that looks photorealistic, or very close to it, then I will eat my words.

**Maha** · 13th March 2012, 10:52

A member called Romeo is very good at this stuff---->> http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php/8605-Romeo
He had a go at my old Sprint...

**nathanwhite** · 13th March 2012, 11:06

Originally Posted by Maha

A member called Romeo is very good at this stuff---->>
He a go at my old Sprint...

ooh thats nice. I like the way he distorted it to fit over the contours of the bike.

good pic to start with though

**riffer** · 13th March 2012, 11:31

Originally Posted by nathanwhite

I tried that. It got a little muddled halfway though. Could you show me what you mean?

If you can show me a efficient method of turning the body of that bike in that photo black, that looks photorealistic, or very close to it, then I will eat my words.

Munch Away.

I would do more but, as you say, it's a shit photo , and I really can't be arsed.

**nathanwhite** · 13th March 2012, 11:44

The undersides do look black and you have done better job there then I will be capable of for a long time yet.

I'm sure you will agree though that the top is too blown out to be effectively changed to a nice black

**riffer** · 13th March 2012, 11:52

Originally Posted by nathanwhite

ooh thats nice. I like the way he distorted it to fit over the contours of the bike.

good pic to start with though

True. The pic helps a lot. When I was retouching Holdens for McCanns we wereusing 8x10 transparencies from studio rail cameras as original pics.

**riffer** · 13th March 2012, 11:53

Originally Posted by nathanwhite

The undersides do look black and you have done better job there then I will be capable of for a long time yet.

I'm sure you will agree though that the top is too blown out to be effectively changed to a nice black

Yup. You'd have to airbrush everything which is a right pain. It can be done though. You need to isolate the ares with the pen tool, create alphas and use combinations of blends and airbrushed shadows and highlights to do it. Don't give up. Given enough time and money anything is possible.

**riffer** · 13th March 2012, 11:56

Where I differed from you is in the following:

use pen tool to describe a path around the tank.
Turn the path into a selection.
Copy the image data from the background, invert it, and save it into an alpha channel.
Using the alpha, add some colour block layers using luminosity as your mode.
Then bring in a few other colour layers in varying modes - darken, colour dodge.
rinse and repeat.