Sad P addicts and thier dealers

[Sutage]

yeh P smokers 'generally' steal to suppor their shit
pot smokers pay way overpriced prices or grow it, tis the difference between weed and pretty much every other 'mainstream drug' whatever u wanna call it is that marijuana grows from a seed into the plant then the buds come whatever, NOTHING gets added it, its natural, would you eat a GE modified fish? i sure as hell wouldnt, i like my shit natural, unfucked with by man, the way things should be now, but wont ever be possibly, thats another thread another time probably a time soon though unless its properly stopped
when something like p is made man who knows what the fuck they put it in it
its a problem with buying weed, that it could be laced, another reason we should be able to grow it so we know whats in it, i doubt someone would put another drug in there tho, not really worth it
the other problem with buying it is that most of the dealer guys probably use that cash to fund other shit because they get so much from weed smokers for charging waaaaaay over what 'its worth' whatever
someone said this is a thread about open mindness before you say i hate drugs bla just actually read facts not bullshit about weed because more damage is done by getting caught with the drug than from smoking it
sorry if i went off topic i think i did

[SPman]

I'm fucken violent. You wanna see my hee-uge shoulder and biceps. I'm just looking for the next "victim" to bash.

Sorry Jimmy. we've seen your Hee uge shoulders and biceps...............

*wonders if I'd make any friends at the roof painting camp*

camp ones?

BTW I would rather share the company of a "queer" (either sex) that is cool, articulate and has a sense of humour than the company of a straight who is an arsehole and agro with no brain.

Get that man a case of Beam!~

[Hitcher]

Hmmmm, hate to be the one to tell you this an all.
But,the weed that most people are smoking today is GE modified.
It's what's called a polyployd plant and has double chromisones(sp)?
Natural weed is a single chromisone plant and is called a diployed plant,and is the stuff the hippies were smoking 20-30 years ago.
Todays weed has been GE modified at the seed stage by being treated with a poision called "culturesene"(sp)again sorry.
This is where dack like Northern lights an skunk come from.
Weed didn't get seven times stronger in just 20odd years by it's self.

Your phonetics are great!

Polyploid
Chromosomes
Diploid
Colchicine

Are the right spellings.

While polyploid plants may have been dicked around with by people, they haven't been dicked with at a DNA molecular level, so aren't technically "genetically modified"; that is, their genetic code hasn't changed. While colchicine is highly poisonous, it's a natural product (just like hemlock is a natural source of poison). Treating marijuana seeds with colchicine increases the numbers of chromosomes they have. In marijuana's case, polyploiding increases the amount of THC a plant produces in its seeds. Clearly there is some appeal in this practice...

Polyploids can also be developed by simple plant selection. Most modern varieties of wheat, for example, are polyploid.

[Big Dave]

Clearly there is some appeal in this practice...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[jazbug5]

Treating marijuana seeds with colchicine increases the numbers of chromosomes they have. In marijuana's case, polyploiding increases the amount of THC a plant produces in its seeds. Clearly there is some appeal in this practice....

So- is that the only or main difference- just the amount of THC? I was having a chat with one of my best mates who is a psychiatric nurse and drugs outreach worker about this recently, and he has seen a large number of admissions of people with psychosis apparently brought on in susceptible individuals by smoking Skunk variants (as opposed to 'traditional' pot).

I think it's a mistake to treat any drug as harmless; we are all affected differently by substances. Asparin can be fatal to some people, after all.
I've seen the effects of various drugs on various people over the years, hard and soft (and really alcohol and nictone should be included in that category) and I've yet to see one that improves a person in the long term. Even pot can make people apathetic or paranoid.

I actually think there is a lot of sense in legalising them; I am sick of scumbags profiting from the situation as it stands- and let's not forget the unseen victims in the supply chain (cocaine and heroin farmworkers, mules, eastern european and thai 'sex slaves'). I lived in Amsterdam for two years from the age of 16 and saw a lot of things in that time; found dead bodies, saw a guy die of a speedball, saw people get so f*cked up on the stuff they actually agreed to do hardcore porn and then snuff movies just to support their habit. (Yes, they died- they thought the movie was going to be fake.)
Amsterdam was not then, and I doubt that it is now, some sort of Ideal, though it was a Mecca of sorts. It had a huge influx of tourists (drug and sex) being served by a huge service industry that ranged from the sanitised to the seriously sick. There were a lot of people who came as addicts because it was relatively easy to live as an addict there (I say relatively).
I suppose that if it were fully legalised in (for example) the UK, there would be a similar flood- for a while at least. Better heads than I know what the answer might be for that.
I have to say, that one of the things that I delighted in when in New Zealand was that you had nearly no heroin there at all; count your blessings, folks.
Sorry to ramble, just kinda happened... oh, and I'm not exactly an angel- this is a hobby horse, not a high horse!

[Ixion]

..; found dead bodies, saw a guy die of a speedball, ..

Me edjumacation has obviously been sadly neglected. First golfballs that are rocks (still don't understand what that means), now speedballs.

WTF is a "speedball"

[Mooch]

Sounds like these are friends not worth having, here's where they are heading, In three years time, both with probably have lost there jobs and will be sponging of family or friends, one of them will most likely end up doing time for drug related stuff, the kids will end up under the care of CYF who will find someone else to bring them up. (Hopefully other caring family members). The two year will be old enough to know things aren't right and wonders why the parents don't want them / love them enough to stop it. In the mean time the families around these to will go through a living hell as to what to do, they’ll end up paying the living expenses and legal bills for these two.

If you've got the time / energy, go around to your friends place when they aren't high. Explain that you've got some serious concerns for the kids and that they are being shocking parents. Ask them if they are capable of stopping the drugs and to seek help if they are not. The odd joint probably isn't an issue, but your friends have gone way past this point and are endangering kids. These people have sunk pretty low and it's only going to get worse.

[Madmax]

So- is that the only or main difference- just the amount of THC? I was having a chat with one of my best mates who is a psychiatric nurse and drugs outreach worker about this recently, and he has seen a large number of admissions of people with psychosis apparently brought on in susceptible individuals by smoking Skunk variants (as opposed to 'traditional' pot).

I think it's a mistake to treat any drug as harmless; we are all affected differently by substances. Asparin can be fatal to some people, after all.
I've seen the effects of various drugs on various people over the years, hard and soft (and really alcohol and nictone should be included in that category) and I've yet to see one that improves a person in the long term. Even pot can make people apathetic or paranoid.

I actually think there is a lot of sense in legalising them; I am sick of scumbags profiting from the situation as it stands- and let's not forget the unseen victims in the supply chain (cocaine and heroin farmworkers, mules, eastern european and thai 'sex slaves'). I lived in Amsterdam for two years from the age of 16 and saw a lot of things in that time; found dead bodies, saw a guy die of a speedball, saw people get so f*cked up on the stuff they actually agreed to do hardcore porn and then snuff movies just to support their habit. (Yes, they died- they thought the movie was going to be fake.)
Amsterdam was not then, and I doubt that it is now, some sort of Ideal, though it was a Mecca of sorts. It had a huge influx of tourists (drug and sex) being served by a huge service industry that ranged from the sanitised to the seriously sick. There were a lot of people who came as addicts because it was relatively easy to live as an addict there (I say relatively).
I suppose that if it were fully legalised in (for example) the UK, there would be a similar flood- for a while at least. Better heads than I know what the answer might be for that.
I have to say, that one of the things that I delighted in when in New Zealand was that you had nearly no heroin there at all; count your blessings, folks.
Sorry to ramble, just kinda happened... oh, and I'm not exactly an angel- this is a hobby horse, not a high horse!

There is quite a bit of herion around, just the user base got smaller
cause of all the new drugs (and the habbit of users to OD)
I have had at least 3 close mates die from the stuff,
shit! i could right a book about how fucked up people get on this shit
(blakamin could help on this front as well)

[Big Dave]

Me edjumacation has obviously been sadly neglected. First golfballs that are rocks (still don't understand what that means), now speedballs.

WTF is a "speedball"

I don't know or care as long as it'a another name for fastball: The standard delivery of most pitchers. The good ones can also throw a 'curve ball', 'slider', 'sinker', 'spilt finger' and a 'change up'.

[Ixion]

I don't know or care as long as it'a another name for fastball: The standard delivery of most pitchers. The good ones can also throw a 'curve ball', 'slider', 'sinker', 'spilt finger' and a 'change up'.

Uh, I somewhat doubt it, given the context

I lived in Amsterdam for two years from the age of 16 and saw a lot of things in that time; found dead bodies, saw a guy die of a speedball, saw people get so f*cked up on the stuff they actually agreed to do hardcore porn and then snuff movies just to support their habit. (Yes, they died- they thought the movie was going to be fake.)

Unless Ms Jazbug5 knew some very alternative baseball players, I thik the answer lies elsewhere.

I am consoled that I am not the only one thus ignorant. I suspect this may also me knowledge more honoured in the ignorance thereof.

[Big Dave]

Uh, I somewhat doubt it, given the context.

That was code for 'gnat-like attention span on this topic is exhausted'

[Pixie]

Sounds like a cool party to me !! usually you got to pay heaps for P, what a guy laying down his stuff for everyone to enjoy fuck there is still some love left in the world

THIS WANKER ASPIRES TO BE A LOW LIFE SCUM

[Pixie]

There's nothing wrong with the natural stuff,?

Then why are all heavy/long term pot users fucked in the head?

[Ixion]

That was code for 'gnat-like attention span on this topic is exhausted'

Google-fu to the rescue

Speedball

variously:

A mixture of cocaine and heroin, injected intravenously
OR heroin and methamphetamine , ditto
OR heroin and ritalin, ditto

Nasty stuff - I regret that Ms Jazbug5 should have known of such things. I do not regret my innocence on such matters.

[Pixie]

I wrote a long long post about this, but I've just deleted it. Other people have said it all.

FWIW, I agree Mr Giradin and Mr Hitcher. Both. Meaning, that the only effective way to control abuse of anything (alcohol, tobacco, P, heroin, whatever), is societal pressure. If everybody you know thinks that using X makes you a total loser dork and a social outcast, it's very unlikely you'll use it.

The prevalence of P and such like indicates that it's use is accepted by society.

And if society accepts use of X, laws banning it won't work. That's why prohibition failed. So best, as Mr Lou Giradin says, to legalise it and control it.

If society as a whole is willing to reject use of X , then outlaw it.

I fear that for the moment the use of P is not going to be stopped by laws. As you've seen, quite "ordinary", "nice" people apparently see nothing wrong in using it. Until that attitude changes (and every time someone "turns a blind eye" to its use, they reinforce the "It's OK" value), it'll be with us.

Disclosure of interest: Drink alcohol, don't smoke anything (mainly cos I tried and it did nothing for me). Never tried anything else never will. I'm with Sam, I'd have left the party immediately the P came out and explained why. That's my personal line in the sand. I'm an old nana.

Methamphetamine is a special case,due to it's ability to quickly induce psychosis,in mentally healthy users,that would be most unwise to legalise.
Heroin,by comparison,is benign and in countries that provide heroin for registered addicts,those addicts lead normal,productive lives.