Sad P addicts and thier dealers

[MSTRS:Me]

I before E, except after C, and before G (and in Feilding).

Feilding cricketers have a problem fielding

[_Gina_]

You can't understand the situation until you either take it or support someone who did take it come off it, right through it, not just a supportive phone call every week, the rest of their life.

It is an insideous drug.

I wish that people could stop and understand that it is people like themselves who end up addicted to P. They have families, bikes, jobs, people who love them, kids, dreams.....

It is not a drug that only inmates and the scum of humanity use.

Visit Odyssey House.

[ManDownUnder]

Feilding cricketers have a problem fielding

head spinning... must... walk.... away....


AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!

[Lou Girardin]

Or speeding, I'm amazed you didn't put that in there too.

Life is a wondrous thing Spud. Full of truly amazing events.

[Paul in NZ]

Just in respone to this... Sam and I don't do DPA (Public Displays of affection), for that exact reason. Just like we don't smoke around people who we know don't smoke... just like we don't swear infront of old people and the such...

We go out of our way to be considerate towards others... exspecially when we don't know the people that we are around... did anyone on the ride the other Sunday see Sam and I kiss? Or hold hands? Or even hug? No because we understand that people can't be accepting... not that I think being gay is anything like smoking P so it isn't even relavent... and if people think having gays/lesbians around children will make them gay then everyone is gay because everyone at some stage in thier life has been around a gay person weather they know it or not...

*doesn't even see the comparison between sexuality and P*

No no no... Drat.... (about 3am I woke up and though - hey I hope she does not misunderstand what I was saying)

I was not making a link between them OR having a go at you in any way!

What I was saying is you made a judgement of these people based on a combination of instinct, personal experience, the law and information recieved through the 'media'. With drugs, and sexuality, there is a sliding scale of acceptance (ie I'm on insulin and inject 5 times a day, some folk think it's gross to do it in public or to put non human stuff inside yourself etc).

Just like nearly every other facet of life we all have a level of tolerance along this line. That place varies for all of us and the law is usually a reflection of where joe average feels it should be drawn. In Holland (for example) enough people were convinced to shift the line to the outer limits.

So - realising that everyones PERSONAL limits will vary slightly we come down to the legal limit.

Wether you tolerate P use or not - it is seriously illegal. By inviting you there this person was involving you in a crime AND imposing his own limits on you. That is unacceptable....

The link I was trying to make was...

Graham Capill and his ilk usually regret being caught, not their actions. Their crime is to impose their twisted view on life on others and the choose people powerless to resist.

This person invited you and Sam and picked you up, thus you no longer had an easy option to leave. It's actually a very similar event?

Paul N

ps - I'm really horrified that you would choose not to indulge in a public display of affection. (yes my kids HATE it when Vicki and I do) As long as it is nothing crude and overtly sexual (usually designed to offend) and is genuine affection I say go for it.

[placidfemme]

No no no... Drat.... (about 3am I woke up and though - hey I hope she does not misunderstand what I was saying)

I was not making a link between them OR having a go at you in any way!

What I was saying is you made a judgement of these people based on a combination of instinct, personal experience, the law and information recieved through the 'media'. With drugs, and sexuality, there is a sliding scale of acceptance (ie I'm on insulin and inject 5 times a day, some folk think it's gross to do it in public or to put non human stuff inside yourself etc).

Just like nearly every other facet of life we all have a level of tolerance along this line. That place varies for all of us and the law is usually a reflection of where joe average feels it should be drawn. In Holland (for example) enough people were convinced to shift the line to the outer limits.

So - realising that everyones PERSONAL limits will vary slightly we come down to the legal limit.

Wether you tolerate P use or not - it is seriously illegal. By inviting you there this person was involving you in a crime AND imposing his own limits on you. That is unacceptable....

The link I was trying to make was...

Graham Capill and his ilk usually regret being caught, not their actions. Their crime is to impose their twisted view on life on others and the choose people powerless to resist.

This person invited you and Sam and picked you up, thus you no longer had an easy option to leave. It's actually a very similar event?

Paul N

Oh ok I see what your saying

[Paul in NZ]

Oh ok I see what your saying

Phew!

Paul N

[Lou Girardin]

[QUOTE=Paul in NZ]Wow - difficult post to read.... One thing you need to consider.

Some people could catch you and Sam snogging at the party where these kids were about and be equally horrified..... You might 'pervert' them.... Think thats unlikely? Then draw the 'sexual' line a little further up the beach until you get to Mr Capill rogering a 4 year old donkey up the bum on the bbq table.... Would seeing that pervert them?

What about an old Playboy magazine then?

kick!



How did you turn a post on drugs into girl on girl sex and bestiality?
I want some of what you're using.

[placidfemme]

kick!



How did you turn a post on drugs into girl on girl sex and bestiality?
I want some of what you're using.

lol I'm sure it's not P

[750Y]

Association is dangerous too. Are you sure you are OK? (PT)

I am 1000% ok man, & thanks for asking. I have a pretty good idea where you're coming from. Me & my best mate are the survivors of another life most people have no idea about. We are rock soild individually & unshakable together. We don't even talk about it anymore. We've been through everything & come out the other side. I will never forget the things I've seen & the situations i've been in but we've pulled each other & ourselves through all the shit & will never go back to the crazy life. too many funerals, too many tragedies... life is too short.

[Paul in NZ]

How did you turn a post on drugs into girl on girl sex and bestiality?
I want some of what you're using.

All I'm using is my brain and my imagination Lou...

I can see how you could be envious.... (boom tish - pt)

Seriously - read my later post oh master of the devious turn in posts. Unfortunately (and this is a general appology to the universe) I do not and never have thought in straight lines. I make leaps and make obscure connections. It's both my biggest flaw and my greatest asset but it is damned annoying.

If you actually knew me in person I think you would temper things I may write with the knowledge that I do genuinely try to be a nice person and would never try to offend people. If I was to want to offend you, you would know it.

Cheers

[Ixion]

How did you turn a post on drugs into girl on girl sex and bestiality?
I want some of what you're using.

All I'm using is my brain and my imagination Lou...

I can see how you could be envious.... (boom tish - pt)

Seriously - read my later post oh master of the devious turn in posts. Unfortunately (and this is a general appology to the universe) I do not and never have thought in straight lines. I make leaps and make obscure connections. It's both my biggest flaw and my greatest asset but it is damned annoying.

If you actually knew me in person I think you would temper things I may write with the knowledge that I do genuinely try to be a nice person and would never try to offend people. If I was to want to offend you, you would know it.

Cheers

You succeed.

[unhingedlizard]

I confess i dont have a problem with weed. But thats were it ends.

Mind you, I'm a boring fuck. I dont go clubbing, dont drink much at all, dont smoke anything. These are my decisions that are born from trail and error. I used to smoke, did for two years before quiting, have used marj. before and used to go clubbing, twice.

I have never tried anything harder than dope so cannot coment on their effects, what i can say though, i believe anyone who needs to take anything to get themselves through to day needs to take a long hard look at themselves. I can say this from experience because I suffer from depression.

PF as someone said earlier, if this happens again, call one of use. I would rather jump in my car and come and get you (or anyone on here) from Hamilton rather than read about you in tomorrows paper.

[Wolf]

ps - I'm really horrified that you would choose not to indulge in a public display of affection. (yes my kids HATE it when Vicki and I do) As long as it is nothing crude and overtly sexual (usually designed to offend) and is genuine affection I say go for it.

Years ago when I was working for [Tertiary Education Provider] we had a lesbian couple who would arrive at work in the same car, give each other a "couple's kiss" (the quick peck of a couple who have been together for ages and routinely kiss to say "see ya after work") and head off to their respective departments for the day. We're not talking serious "pash" session with heaps of tongue and writhing sex-with-clothes-on hugs I've seen teens do on Victoria Street, here.

One of my workmates saw them and went on a rant to us about how disgusting it was that they kissed in public. "I said they're a couple of consenting adults who love each other, what's wrong with that?"

He replied "what about the kiddies seeing it?" and I replied "Dude, this is a tertiary level institution, the 'kiddies' have an average age of 40 and there's no one here under 18."

I have no problem seeing homosexual couples kiss in public - most those I've seen tone things down so as "not to offend" - most the straight couples I've seen have no such restriction and I get to see young people snogging in a nearly x-rated fashion all over the place - that doesn't worry me either but I think it is kind of strange that the public are willing to tolerate hetero guys groping their girlfriends boobs in public but get up in arms the minute a gay couple give each other a brief kiss.

Placid, I'm sad that you and Sam do not feel you can publically display your affection for one another by even holding hands.

I think NZ society needs to buck up its ideas - they're prepared to put up with escalating crime rates and do nothing about it but are ready and willing to crucify people for different sexuality, religion or political leanings. WTF is up with that?

It boils down to the Wiccan Rede's "an it harm none, do what you will." Personally I'd rather see a couple - any couple straight or gay - kissing in public than the P-head retard that sits out in Ward St from time to time, wasted off his face, behaving in a weird manner and terrifying the young office workers who congregate out there for a cigarette break. He's behaving in a harmful manner (when you get young women hightailing it out of the area for fear of their safety, that's harm) the couples cuddling while they have their tea break are not.

[Ixion]

my 2nd best mate got stuck on it & bang! 1 broken home for his kid, his new mrs was on it & bang 2 broken homes for 2 kids, her ex (another mate) got busted with a lab in his boot & is about to go inside, a close family friend got busted with a 'golfball' in his pocket & is inside,his brother(a mate i've known from aged 2) is totally fucked on it, another very musically talented mate who was getting airtime on the radio has lost it, one of my best friend's brother(also a good mate) just had his promising career & last chance at a straight life collapsed & he's now back in the underworld(heavy shit), another good mate is stuck on it & had to sell his bike & car, another mate had to sell out of pauanui & now lives in a rented shed, another good mate is a chronic drunk as he traded in his drug addiction for alcohol as his only hope of survival, he's out of jail now but fucked & only surviving, my mums best friend's husband died from an OD, he killed his mates in a car smash, my good friend at school aged 13 died of an OD, a close mate was selling drugs to finance his habit, he was paying this chick in drugs for gangbangs with him & his dickhead mates I could go on and on and on but i won't...
if anyone on here is taking it, i urge them get help.
for the record, I do not take it.

Goodness gracious.

But, thing is, it's not really anything new. I can think of half a dozen folk that I went to school or uni with (and that's a few years ago!) that ended up either dead or in gaol because of drugs. Not P, which wasn't around then, but other stuff. And that's just the ones I know of, and ignoring those who just stuffed their lives up in less dramatic fashion.

Whether society has become more accepting of it , and whether it has become more prevalent or not, I'm not sure.

The one thing that I do know is constant, is human stupidity.