Sad P addicts and thier dealers

[Storm]

I'm with Paul and others-as long as you arent doing any all-but-shagging-on-the-spot type kissing, feel free to do as you please. You are both adults and I assume most of the people around were as well. And if its a drunken party, then I'm fairly confident in saying you wouldnt be the first to get up to monkey business under the influence.Sorry about the ranting, but small minded people annoy me.

[Ixion]

just like we don't swear infront of old people and the such...

Darn it, how are we going to pick up the latest swear words if you do that ?

.. did anyone on the ride the other Sunday see Sam and I kiss? Or hold hands? Or even hug? No because we understand that people can't be accepting... ..

Genuine question - do you think that bikers would be likely to have a problem with that? I can think of one, maybe two people on the site that might openly disapprove, and one or two others who might tease you about it, but just because they are generally given to poking the borax. Not, mind you, that such gatherings are particulary conducive of amorousness in the first place

[Ixion]

.., a close family friend got busted with a 'golfball' in his pocket & is inside,...

What's a 'golfball' ? So often I am bemused at my own ignorance

[MSTRS:Me]

What's a 'golfball' ? So often I am bemused at my own ignorance

It's the thing that ruins an otherwise lovely walk

[750Y]

Goodness gracious.
But, thing is, it's not really anything new.

no it's definitely not new....

I can think of half a dozen folk that I went to school or uni with (and that's a few years ago!) that ended up either dead or in gaol because of drugs.

waste eh

Not P, which wasn't around then, but other stuff.

i first heard of P back in wgn around 1990

And that's just the ones I know of, and ignoring those who just stuffed their lives up in less dramatic fashion.

there is an endless trail of destruction 8-(

Whether society has become more accepting of it , and whether it has become more prevalent or not, I'm not sure.

I believe the media's lifted it's profile

The one thing that I do know is constant, is human stupidity.

i'm no psychologist(although i have built psycho-analytical software) but i believe the issues are more emotional than intellectual.
it's a lose lose situation 8-(

a golfball is just referring to the size of the 'rock'...(nice one MSTRS)

[unhingedlizard]

What's a 'golfball' ? So often I am bemused at my own ignorance

A severe medical condition which primarily affects the male of the species. See a doctor.

[placidfemme]

Placid, I'm sad that you and Sam do not feel you can publically display your affection for one another by even holding hands.

Thanks for that

Sam and I will hold hands when walking around town and stuff... we still get the odd verbal abuse thrown our way, and on a few occasions some random evangelist (sp) will spot us (even when not holding hands) and start screaming "look sinners" and other gay themed hell condemnation... but holding hands is the most we'll do in public. But when in groups of people (like at partys, clubs, rides e.t.c) where we around people that we know we will possibly be seeing again we hold back and are reserved until we know the people well enough to know that our safety isn't in jeopardy (sp) because of who we are.

I have friends that have been beaten up on K Rd for holding hands, others that have been followed and abused and had things thrown at them and the such... always best to play it safe...

I suppose the way we act in public is just a habit... even around my family, who are accepting towards Sam and mines relationship, the most we'd do is hold hands or sit next to each other... and one of the main reasons is because if people see physical contact between same sex partners they automatically think of sex (between the two same sex people) and judge your relationship on that basis... whereas sex is a part of the relationship it's not the most important part, and it stops them from seeing the other sides of the realtionship... two people in a happy, stable, loving and commited relationship...

*forgot my point again lol*

[unhingedlizard]

narrow minded people.
Its a shame that you and Sam (as well as any others in the same situation) have to bare the brunt of the mindless obsession that humans have to find a reason to be extremely shitty to one another.

[Big Dave]

did anyone on the ride the other Sunday see Sam and I kiss? Or hold hands? Or even hug?

No dammit, and I pay good money to watch that stuff!
Anybody gives you shit about it - I'll bounce them.

[placidfemme]

Yeah it is a shame, but its something we've learnt to live with... you wouldn't believe the extent it... it took us nearly 3 months to find a new place when we moved... so many landlords had that shocked look on thier faces when they realised that the "my partner" I mentioned on the phone was actually a "my lesbian partner" and from the word go where very off-ish and all to often we got the "sorry it's been taken" and seen the same place advertised for 2 more weeks afterwards... Once I even called the guy back when I saw his ad, and fooled him to thinking I was just another enquiry about the place, asked if it was still available and he said "yep no takers yet" then mentioned who I was... and got hung up on... still enjoyed catching him out though... lol

At least my work is gay friendly

[unhingedlizard]

i second that.

[Paul in NZ]

Well we are so far off topic now it does not really matter so...

Not showing affection in public is to me, maybe the thin end of the wedge as it were. It leads to a culture of covering things up and hiding stuff. IMHO Hiding stuff makes it easier for the cheaters, kiddie fiddlers and the wife bashers to get away with it.

I fell in love with Vicki the moment I saw her and 27 years on, I still get that feeling when I'm around her. We worked on that from the day we met and WTF should I be ashamed of that? Isn't that what we need a little more of?

Why can you get a course of recovering and coping with shit but not how to avoid it? I dunno...

Cheers

[Paul in NZ]

What's a 'golfball' ? So often I am bemused at my own ignorance

Something 'boy' golfs are endowed with... Don't ask what the lady golfs are equipped with...

[Wolf]

Once I even called the guy back when I saw his ad, and fooled him to thinking I was just another enquiry about the place, asked if it was still available and he said "yep no takers yet" then mentioned who I was... and got hung up on... still enjoyed catching him out though... lol

You got enough to do him for discrimination on grounds of sexuality (the anti-discrimination laws only catch the dumb ones) and you could push it in court and force him to let you rent the place - like you really want a narrow-minded retard as a landlord - can you say "flat inspection from Hell".

Makes you wonder what good the anti-discrimination laws are - smart people come up with a plausible excuse ("already taken", "there were others better suited to the job" etc) and the dumb ones who do get caught out or think it's perfectly acceptable to say "nah, we don't hire niggers here"... well, what does the law do? Force them to give you the job or whatever (they still hate gays/niggers/old farts/supralapsarians, now they have to see one every day and they're pissed off because they can't fire them - great work relationship, that one, just add shitty pay and long hours and it'd be "perfect") or fine them - the money goes to the court so the judges can buy more coke and 14-year-old asian boys. Gee, a winner all 'round.

Honestly, 'tis bad enough having random chance throw bigotted coworkers in your way without stupid laws that would put you into a situation you're better off out of - even if the money were fantastic, I'd tire quickly of a job where I was constantly being sneered at as a "Devil Worshipper" by an ignorant bigot who also is in charge of handing out work tasks and promotions - or "punishes" the transgressor by making the court system richer (thinking specifically of Labour Tribunal here who's options are get you the money they owe you (if any), get you your job back if unfairly sacked or make themselves rich by fining the SoBs who treated you like crap - no reparation for you).

[MSTRS:Me]

You got enough to do him for discrimination on grounds of sexuality (the anti-discrimination laws only catch the dumb ones) and you could push it in court and force him to let you rent the place - like you really want a narrow-minded retard as a landlord - can you say "flat inspection from Hell".

Makes you wonder what good the anti-discrimination laws are - smart people come up with a plausible excuse ("already taken", "there were others better suited to the job" etc) and the dumb ones who do get caught out or think it's perfectly acceptable to say "nah, we don't hire niggers here"... well, what does the law do? Force them to give you the job or whatever (they still hate gays/niggers/old farts/supralapsarians, now they have to see one every day and they're pissed off because they can't fire them - great work relationship, that one, just add shitty pay and long hours and it'd be "perfect") or fine them - the money goes to the court so the judges can buy more coke and 14-year-old asian boys. Gee, a winner all 'round.

Honestly, 'tis bad enough having random chance throw bigotted coworkers in your way without stupid laws that would put you into a situation you're better off out of - even if the money were fantastic, I'd tire quickly of a job where I was constantly being sneered at as a "Devil Worshipper" by an ignorant bigot who also is in charge of handing out work tasks and promotions - or "punishes" the transgressor by making the court system richer (thinking specifically of Labour Tribunal here who's options are get you the money they owe you (if any), get you your job back if unfairly sacked or make themselves rich by fining the SoBs who treated you like crap - no reparation for you).

Yea to that. Reminds me of something I just thought of (imagine that). Society has become like an engine. Years ago 'someone' invented the perfect motor, then TheCommittee got ahold of it & added all these moving parts to 'make it better'. Sound familiar??