Police target motorcyclists in another safety campaign

[Maha]

Perhaps not all crap, but after reading almost the entire thread in one sitting makes you start to think that all bikers do is break the law and whine about being caught

Thats probably a fair assumption.

[Bassmatt]

Perhaps not all crap, but after reading almost the entire thread in one sitting makes you start to think that all bikers do is break the law and whine about being caught

Fuckin A Keyboard warriors

[Nzpure]

Wow. 15 pages of crap. Nzpure, I dont think you have the mental faculties to use public roads.
Police target different groups all the time. I do think however, they need to target motorbikers, because break the law more than most.
Yes, the ACC levies are a bit high, but what gives you the right to not pay when the rest of us do? If a large chunk of bikers dont pay their rego, then the govt will simply increase them, and crack down harder on everyone.

I try to pull over when I see bikers on the side of the road needing help. From now on those of you who rock around with no rego, or in shorts and jandals, will get the fingers as I ride off.
Justify it all you like, you're being bigger douchbags than whiny Nick.

Baffa is it really that wrong to question legitimacy of any govermental policy or initiative?
I didn't complain about any ACC.
Never been pulled over or got a ticket so didn't complain about that.
All i was asking was that surely targeting a minority and stopping people for the sake of looking were both againsts the bill of rights. Im certain they have a bill or act that overrules it however.
I actually believe it is all our god given right to seek a means of transport on new zealand roads. After all it was ours,our mother and fathers,grand mother and grand father etc etc depending on how long your family been in nz (i'm not maori either FYI) tax money and for some blood, sweat and tears that built those roads. We have road rules and laws to insure a smooth and safe passage on these roads. Laws which may been passed in parliment but are only given power by us.
All i was doing was asking a question, and putting my argument forward in support of it. If you disagree with it great! its your right too, see bill of rights. I just believe its a bit on the dodgy side that our government can take it or leave in regards to the bill of rights. It changes nothing, was just a question.

[baffa]

Baffa is it really that wrong to question legitimacy of any govermental policy or initiative?
I didn't complain about any ACC.
Never been pulled over or got a ticket so didn't complain about that.
All i was asking was that surely targeting a minority and stopping people for the sake of looking were both againsts the bill of rights. Im certain they have a bill or act that overrules it however.
I actually believe it is all our god given right to seek a means of transport on new zealand roads. After all it was ours,our mother and fathers,grand mother and grand father etc etc depending on how long your family been in nz (i'm not maori either FYI) tax money and for some blood, sweat and tears that built those roads. We have road rules and laws to insure a smooth and safe passage on these roads. Laws which may been passed in parliment but are only given power by us.
All i was doing was asking a question, and putting my argument forward in support of it. If you disagree with it great! its your right too, see bill of rights. I just believe its a bit on the dodgy side that our government can take it or leave in regards to the bill of rights. It changes nothing, was just a question.

No mate, the whole point of a democracy is that people have a voice. But we also have to balance the rights of the individuals with what is best for society. My right to bear arms in public inhinges on others safety.

You wax lyrical a bit too much, without looking deeper at the practical side of law.
People wearing hoodies up when driving cars get pulled over more than people who dont, because the car is more likely to be stolen. It sounds discrimitory, but people enforce the stereotypes. (And yes, I have been pulled over for wearing a hoodie, and had this explained to me).

You talk about the importance of road rules, but dont seem to think about the practical side of enforcing them.
Police officers have to catch and penalise those of us who break the law, and try and maintain order and safety. If they are aware that a select group of us are more likely to break the law than others, or are in greater danger to ourselves and others (for instance if we dont ATGATT), then they would not be doing their job if they didnt focus on us.

[Berries]

or are in greater danger to ourselves and others (for instance if we dont ATGATT).

I agreed with most of what you said, but all this ATGATT talk bugs me. Do you really think they are going to tell scooter riders in Wellington that they need to wear one piece leather suits on their daily urban commute? Appropriate gear would be sufficient, for all of us, and that does not equate to ATGATT.

[davereid]

My right to bear arms in public inhinges on others safety.

No it doesn't, not unless you are a nutter.
In which case I would prefer that I had the right to bear arms too.

The road rules were policed entirely satisfactorily for many years without the police having the right to random search and seizure.

You give up rights and privacy irreversibly.

I'm too old for it to really effect me.

But Id like to think my grandkids can grow up in a country where they can go about their business without being stopped and searched for all manner of good reasons. Where they can travel without being tracked, spend money without the government watching, trade food with their friends without needing a permit, and surf the internet uncensored.


Maybe its already to late.