LAMS approved bikes

[gonzo_akl]

Got a link to that please?

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/ru...t-2011-qa.html


point 2,

2. Introduction of a power-to-weight limit for learner and restricted riders

What restrictions are there on the types of motorcycles that novice riders can ride, and why?

Currently, holders of learner and restricted motorcycle licences are restricted to riding motorcycles of 250cc and less. However, advances in technology are limiting the effectiveness of the restriction. A number of powerful high-performance 250cc motorcycles capable of high speeds and rapid acceleration are available on the market. These motorcycles are not suitable for novice riders due to their power, riding position and handling. Advances in motorcycle power are likely to continue.

Most Australian states have recognised the 250cc novice rider restriction as a safety issue and have replaced this with the proposed power-to-weight/cc restriction through the introduction of a Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS). This has included a list of motorcycles that are LAMS-compliant, which has been researched thoroughly. LAMS has proved popular with the Australian motorcycling community, and could readily be adapted for use in New Zealand.

What is the power-to-weight ratio for learner and restricted riders?

Novice riders will be prohibited from riding the following:
a motorcycle over 660 cc;
a motorcycle with an engine capacity of between 251cc and 660 cc and a power-to-weight ratio of less than 150 kilowatts per tonne, unless the motorcycle is approved by notice on the NZTA's website;
a motorcycle with an engine capacity of between 251cc and 660 cc and a power-to-weight ratio of more than 150 kilowatts per tonne;
a motorcycle with an engine capacity of 250 cc or less, if prohibited by the NZTA by notice on the NZTA's website.

This means novice riders will be entitled to ride the following:
a motorcycle with an engine capacity of between 251 cc and 660 cc and a power-to-weight ratio of less than 150 kilowatts per tonne, only if the motorcycle is approved by notice on the NZTA's website;
a motorcycle with an engine capacity of 250 cc or less, unless prohibited by notice on the NZTA's website.

[fetchfire]

What I find odd here is that my 250 hornet is stated to have 40hp, it has a better power to weight ratio than my DRz400sm. But in reality the drz seems much more powerful.

If they end up banning the hornet I will never be able to sell it again.

[Asher]

Currently, holders of learner and restricted motorcycle licences are restricted to riding motorcycles of 250cc and less. However, advances in technology are limiting the effectiveness of the restriction. A number of powerful high-performance 250cc motorcycles capable of high speeds and rapid acceleration are available on the market. These motorcycles are not suitable for novice riders due to their power, riding position and handling. Advances in motorcycle power are likely to continue.
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Hahaha they say its because of advances in technology then only exclude 250cc bike made in the late 80's/early 90's.
250cc bikes these days have pathetic power.

[Asher]

What I find odd here is that my 250 hornet is stated to have 40hp, it has a better power to weight ratio than my DRz400sm. But in reality the drz seems much more powerful.

If they end up banning the hornet I will never be able to sell it again.

Only 2 strokes are likely to be banned.
But your right, they only look at weight and power. A bike could have huge torque but still be considered suitable for learners.

[sleemanj]

What I find odd here is that my 250 hornet is stated to have 40hp, it has a better power to weight ratio than my DRz400sm. But in reality the drz seems much more powerful.

"Racehorse vs Clydesdale". The racehorse will carry a small load very fast, the Clydesdale will take all day but haul a massive load.

The Hornet is the racehorse, it's high horsepower are produced at high RPM.

The DRZ is the clydesdale, it's high horsepower are produced at low(er) RPM.

[FJRider]

What I find odd here is that my 250 hornet is stated to have 40hp, it has a better power to weight ratio than my DRz400sm. But in reality the drz seems much more powerful.

That 40 horsepower is developed at (or near) red-line. The DRZ has more torque at the lower revs.

Look at the speed being achieved at red-line of both bikes ... and scale them back to legal speeds and compare the two.

[Twitch]

Hi all. I'm new here and am looking to get into this biking game I can't wait! My husband has a Kwaka ZZR1100 and I'm getting serious about getting my licence.
Question is, do I sit it now before the rules change in October, or do I wait? I don't want a big bike to start with, I'm leaning towards a lil Bandit or similar. But what's the market going to be for a bike like this in the future (to resell)?
What do you all think the pros and cons are of this rule change as far as bike choice goes? I mean, having a new LAMS 400 or something bigger is all well and good but it'll be restricted and more likely than not it will be too expensive to de-restrict later. So I guess my question is more directed at, is there any reason to wait, and will I be able to pick up a dirt cheap 250 if I get my licence now and wait until after the change to get my bike!
Hmm, I just want to go ride!! i don't care what on!
Thanks for your input
L

[sil3nt]

Hi all. I'm new here and am looking to get into this biking game I can't wait! My husband has a Kwaka ZZR1100 and I'm getting serious about getting my licence.
Question is, do I sit it now before the rules change in October, or do I wait? I don't want a big bike to start with, I'm leaning towards a lil Bandit or similar. But what's the market going to be for a bike like this in the future (to resell)?
What do you all think the pros and cons are of this rule change as far as bike choice goes? I mean, having a new LAMS 400 or something bigger is all well and good but it'll be restricted and more likely than not it will be too expensive to de-restrict later. So I guess my question is more directed at, is there any reason to wait, and will I be able to pick up a dirt cheap 250 if I get my licence now and wait until after the change to get my bike!
Hmm, I just want to go ride!! i don't care what on!
Thanks for your input
L

The sooner you get your licence the better. There is no advantage in getting it after October. The bikes on the LAMS list are hardly any better/faster than a current 250 unless you buy new - assuming manufacturers bring in new LAMS models like Australia.

I think the market for 250's will still be around. There are bandits in Australia going for around $2000 which is the same price you can get here if you look around.

Get your licence now (less waiting for full) and don't spend too much on a 2nd hand 250 and you won't lose anything later on.

[FJRider]

Hi all. I'm new here and am looking to get into this biking game I can't wait! My husband has a Kwaka ZZR1100 and I'm getting serious about getting my licence.
Question is, do I sit it now before the rules change in October, or do I wait? I don't want a big bike to start with, I'm leaning towards a lil Bandit or similar. But what's the market going to be for a bike like this in the future (to resell)?
What do you all think the pros and cons are of this rule change as far as bike choice goes? I mean, having a new LAMS 400 or something bigger is all well and good but it'll be restricted and more likely than not it will be too expensive to de-restrict later. So I guess my question is more directed at, is there any reason to wait, and will I be able to pick up a dirt cheap 250 if I get my licence now and wait until after the change to get my bike!
Hmm, I just want to go ride!! i don't care what on!
Thanks for your input
L

It's still a good idea to learn on a small (read light) bike as you can never have too much experience ... whatever you may be "allowed" wont change that. If a bigger may suit you better later (if you are a tall/large person) or experience warrants it ... sell/swap for a larger LAM's bike later.
The LAM's bikes (as I understand) are not allowed to be restricted by any modification that may later at any time be un-restricted.
The power to weight ratio that determines if those bikes ARE in the LAM's list ... will be based on the manufacturer's claims (and I gather ... verified by officialdom)

[Marmoot]

I lolled at the Australian list.

RVF400 is approved, but VFR400, CBR400RR, NSR250R/SP/SE are not.

Loophole?

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...viceriders.htm

[FJRider]

I lolled at the Australian list.

RVF400 is approved, but VFR400, CBR400RR, NSR250R/SP/SE are not.

Loophole?

Nope ... There is NO guarantee that the exact same list will be followed to the letter ... er ... bike ...

Untill the New Zealand list is made official ...

[nzspokes]

What I find odd here is that my 250 hornet is stated to have 40hp, it has a better power to weight ratio than my DRz400sm. But in reality the drz seems much more powerful.

If they end up banning the hornet I will never be able to sell it again.

But your hornet is a lot heavier than your trail bike. A mate had done the calculation for the Hornet and it makes it in fine.

My 400 does not with being to light and to much hp.

[Marmoot]

Nope ... There is NO guarantee that the exact same list will be followed to the letter

Yer. Wasn't talking about ours.
I was just laughing at those fools across the ditch.

[GrayWolf]

now here's an interesting thought... re the model of bikes over 500cc made before 1990.... per the Aussie list.. You could by the old XT 600/660 air cooled and the XTZ660 tenere... as they are pre 1990, however the new XTX660 tenere' will be unavailable as its a 'new model' but uses the exact same motor... So there is going to be some possible anomalies to accessibility. So the venerable GS500 Suzuki and EN500 Kawasaki looks like they could be the 'go to' models.

[tigertim20]

now here's an interesting thought... re the model of bikes over 500cc made before 1990.... per the Aussie list.. You could by the old XT 600/660 air cooled and the XTZ660 tenere... as they are pre 1990, however the new XTX660 tenere' will be unavailable as its a 'new model' but uses the exact same motor... So there is going to be some possible anomalies to accessibility. So the venerable GS500 Suzuki and EN500 Kawasaki looks like they could be the 'go to' models.

if the new models still meet the power to weight restrictions, they can be added to the list later on, the list is designed to be a living list, as its possible manufacturers will make bikes to fit into these requirements for a population the size of australia, which will mean we could get them too.

I understand there will be a submission process to have other models etc added at reviews, such as them who want to get a 75 year old bike and ride around