WOF reforms.

[Scuba_Steve]

What's MTA got to do with it?

Very few WOF issuing authorities take the responsibility as lightly as you suggest.

MTA are a large lobby group & the biggest profiteers from the WoF extortion.

I think you're over simplifying things Scube. Why do testing stations use rollers for brake testing then? Joe Bloggs can't do that. Steering and suspension integrity is not a basic thing either.

Incidently, Australia has a younger vehicle fleet than NZ but some states still have random checks plus roving units that specialise in vehicle safety checks etc.

Simplifying yes, over simplifying I don't think so?. Why do they use rollers??? & why does my land Rover pass??? 2-tonne vehicle with drum brakes all round, & lets not get into what passes on the Land Rover for steering, yet better vehicles are failed.

And so why not copy Oz??? they have no problems more than we do, yet they have a way better system. We already do stops, not hard to pull out those same roving units.

[Katman]

MTA are a large lobby group & the biggest profiteers from the WoF extortion.

How do they profit?

They aren't part of the WOF process.

[Scuba_Steve]

How do they profit?

They aren't part of the WOF process.

umm VTNZ, heard of them??? They're MTA

VTNZ was privatised in 1999 and the Motor Trade Association purchased the company.

There are now 86 VTNZ testing stations and nearly all carry out Warrant of Fitness inspections

[Katman]

Well how about that. Every day's a school day.

[nodrog:Me]

Well how about that. Every day's a school day.

Now go and sit in the corner and await your fuckin spanking.

[Zedder]

MTA are a large lobby group & the biggest profiteers from the WoF extortion.



Simplifying yes, over simplifying I don't think so?. Why do they use rollers??? & why does my land Rover pass??? 2-tonne vehicle with drum brakes all round, & lets not get into what passes on the Land Rover for steering, yet better vehicles are failed.

And so why not copy Oz??? they have no problems more than we do, yet they have a way better system. We already do stops, not hard to pull out those same roving units.

I can't comment on your Land Rover apart from the fact that they're not the usual run of the mill vehicle and are very solidly built.

If Aussie have no problems more than we do (data?) then why do they even have random checks and roving units.

Don't get me wrong, I think the 6 monthly WoF checks are a pain but at the moment there's no alternative and I'm certainly not privy to the info that Big Gerry has. The good news is that he's going to review the situation. The bad news is that he's involved.

[Coldrider]

$250million spent annually on Wof checks at garages and testing stations. That's $250M in cash the government isn't getting to bleed from the average person, apart from GST.
So by relaxing the WoF system and letting natural forces at play, the Govt can redirect that cash from the automotive industry to the tax coffers in the form of heavy fines from vehicle users that do not maintain vehicles to a road worthy standard.

[Woodman]

So if WoF's are going to extend, what will the garages do? $250 million dollars in lost revenue, thats a lot of families who put their life into their businesses missing a lot of income.

What will the garages do? maybe a "health check service" for your car, yea right its all good till they find something wrong and charge to fix it (imagine the rants on here). Some will have better "health check" standards than others but there will be no standards so the dodgy ones will now get the business. The system we have now is ok, we don't have to follow other countries because ours may well be the better system.

Always wondered how a garage that advertised that they were the most stringent WoF checkers would go.

[Ocean1]

The system we have now is ok, we don't have to follow other countries because ours may well be the better system.

If you compare those Aussie states with testing regulations with those without you'll find the difference in accident stat's is... Zero. Same with the US.

So, y'see in the real world it's only a better system for the Wof service suppliers, for the rest of us it's a waste of time.

[FJRider]

... for the rest of us it's a waste of time.

If it keeps a few idiot's wrecks off the road ... it is not a complete waste of time.

[Ocean1]

If it keeps a few idiot's wrecks off the road ... it is not a complete waste of time.

But it doesn't. They just don't Wof 'em.

I repeat: WoF compliance makes statistically zero difference to accident stat's.

So why have them?

[Motu]

umm VTNZ, heard of them??? They're MTA

The MTA is a non profit organisation - there is no way they can profit from VTNZ. The MTA bought VTNZ to stop the AA getting their hands on it - I'd hate to think what would've happen to WoF testing if the AA had got a toe in the door that way. The MTA bought VTNZ through asset sales - they sold their building to buy VTNZ. There is no way they can influence VTNZ, apart from the fact that VTNZ has MTA membership.

[bsasuper]

ah dude, their already privatized MTA (owners of VTNZ chain) is the reason we're still stuck with this worthless extortion of money



You don't actually believe that do you???

You must work for the papers, cutting up quotes to make a better story

[Scuba_Steve]

The MTA is a non profit organisation - there is no way they can profit from VTNZ. The MTA bought VTNZ to stop the AA getting their hands on it - I'd hate to think what would've happen to WoF testing if the AA had got a toe in the door that way. The MTA bought VTNZ through asset sales - they sold their building to buy VTNZ. There is no way they can influence VTNZ, apart from the fact that VTNZ has MTA membership.

Say what???
"there is no way they can profit from VTNZ" "there is no way they can influence VTNZ"
Are you reading what you are writing? or you you just have no fucking idea what you are on about???
MTA can't influence something they own what da fuck are you on???
As for not profiting, here from MTA's own site

7. Does the government provide any funding for MTA?
No, MTA receives no funding from Government. Instead it relies on a combination of member subscriptions and its own commercial activities to generate revenue.

I have no idea how you think MTA so much better than AA (unless you work for them or something) but you really need to understand what you are saying before saying it VTNZ doesn't just have MTA membership it is OWNED by MTA, MTA make a profit off VTNZ. Get it now???

You must work for the papers, cutting up quotes to make a better story

I'm not getting you, I quote anything relevant.

[bsasuper]

Say what???
"there is no way they can profit from VTNZ" "there is no way they can influence VTNZ"
Are you reading what you are writing? or you you just have no fucking idea what you are on about???
MTA can't influence something they own what da fuck are you on???
As for not profiting, here from MTA's own site


I have no idea how you think MTA so much better than AA (unless you work for them or something) but you really need to understand what you are saying before saying it VTNZ doesn't just have MTA membership it is OWNED by MTA, MTA make a profit off VTNZ. Get it now???



I'm not getting you, I quote anything relevant.

Yes you do, thats the point.A lot of people can say they know how to do something, because they have read a book on it, do you realise you fall into this catagory?