WOF reforms.

[Motu]

[QUOTE=Scuba_Steve;1130293416
When your opponent has totally "shut down" your argument & proven you to be talking shit[/QUOTE]

Yes, so sorry - I just wasn't aware of the calibre of my opponent. I'll just shut up now and move on.

[Voltaire]

I wish the Electrical industry was as good as milking the public as the motor industry. Some of the 'life threatening' wiring I have seen in houses over the years I could have made a fortune....but think of all the lives saved by ....'worn' wheel bearings, 'worn' ball joints, 'faded' seat belts, etc....what a con ...annual checks would be just as good.

[craigdek]

Where I come from there are no WOF's. Some of the vehicles on the road are death traps.

[aum108]

Many garages have the WOF check's as their primary income. And a tidy little earner for most.

Yeah right

Many or most garages, in Hamilton at least, are full of mechanics who are really good at finding and even 'inventing' WOF problems. They make their real money fixing the defects, like some prick on Heaphy Terrace here who escalated a $180 brakes job to $700 over the course of one day and three phone calls, each time raising a different problem and estimating a yet-higher price.

It's like a restaurant - only a small part of the revenue comes from the food - just there to get people in the door. The real profit comes from the wine.

There's no way in hell I'd take any of my vehicles to a garage for a warrant. VTNZ is the only outfit I'd (even partly) trust.

[slofox]

VTNZ is the only outfit I'd (even partly) trust.

I wouldn't.

[avgas]

Where I come from there are no WOF's. Some of the vehicles on the road are death traps.

Where I come from they have WOF's. Some of the vehicles on the road ARE death traps.

Perhaps we should adopt the S.A. approach and atleast acknoledge the death traps on the roads rather than legislate around them?

[FJRider]

Yeah right

Many or most garages, in Hamilton at least, are full of mechanics who are really good at finding and even 'inventing' WOF problems. They make their real money fixing the defects, like some prick on Heaphy Terrace here who escalated a $180 brakes job to $700 over the course of one day and three phone calls, each time raising a different problem and estimating a yet-higher price.

The guy that does the WoF for my car lists all the things that need done to it. I ask what needs done for the WoF ... he says nothing. I say ... Issue the WoF then ..... DONE.

[rastuscat]

Failed a WoF test on my cage at the North Shore testing station once. Rusty brake lines.

Took it to a brake fixer who said there was nothing wrong with it.

Took it back the next day to the testing station, passed without a murmur.

Any time you let a decision be made by a human you risk the human error problem.

Trouble is, any time you let a computer or a machine make a decision it removes the factor called discretion.

The argument is about how the discretion is exercised.

Can't have it both ways.

Donuts.

[Harry the Barstard]

I went in to get my wifes cage sorted for a WoF,

Failed as there was a dent (from a small rock that must have got flicked up) deeper than 1.5mm in the floor pan. He said it was structual... I said but there are holes in it so that water can drain... he said it was still stuctual.

So i jacked up the car, drilled an 8mm hole where the dent was (next to the other holes for water drainage). Took it back to VTNZ. Got me a shiney new WoF.

FWT?

[Scuba_Steve]

Any time you let a decision be made by a human you risk the human error problem.

Trouble is, any time you let a computer or a machine make a decision it removes the factor called discretion.

The argument is about how the discretion is exercised.

Can't have it both ways.

Donuts.

Ever played Fifa on a computing machine? Ref could be set from strict to pretty much "ignore all", random was also available. Discretion can be programed in...

Vodka.

[oneofsix]

Failed a WoF test on my cage at the North Shore testing station once. Rusty brake lines.

Took it to a brake fixer who said there was nothing wrong with it.

Took it back the next day to the testing station, passed without a murmur.

Any time you let a decision be made by a human you risk the human error problem.

Trouble is, any time you let a computer or a machine make a decision it removes the factor called discretion.

The argument is about how the discretion is exercised.

Can't have it both ways.

Donuts.

Discretion comes with guidelines. But what you seem to be talking about is a mistake. the tester said it was unsafe when it wasn't.
The problem in NZ is we give people so little personal power that when their job gives them a bit of authourity it tends to go to their heads.
Then you get the "corporate culture" factor, this is where the corporation/department takes an attitude that it will do things a certain way, perhaps that it would not look good if the corp was to admit to mistakes ('get it right first time' would be an example slogan such a corp would adopt), this then becomes a case where its staff then believe they can't be seen to have got it wrong so wont re-examine their decisions.


whiskey, argh no, got to ride, make that chocolate.