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    Do bike riders = better car drivers?

    yes has been done before, but i dont care.

    a discussion around this came up on another forum, and i thought Id share my personal view on this here - critiques, corrections, opinions and discussions welcomed because its a holiday tomorrow and I dont have to go to bed early!

    I hear alot of people discuss this, the idea is tossed around often that being a bike rider makes you a better car driver.
    The basis of this view is generally that, because of your increased vulnerability on a bike, you become more aware of potential hazards, and you diversify your focus to what others MIGHT do, and where they are, rather than just what YOU are doing - this idea is basically the concept of situational awareness.
    Those who argue this point will suggest that these habbits transfer over into your car driving habbits.

    I dont agree.

    To a small degree, your driving may improve a bit, but its more likely to be a change to general driving habbits, such as looking further ahead and vanishing point on windy roads, rather than on overall improvement in your driving.

    The reason I dont agree with a total improvement as a result of motorcycling is because situational awareness is just that - situational.
    Your situation or circumstances change when you are in a car, and when you are on a bike - many of those things are things that affect you subconsciously - such as leaning over and switching radio stations, leaning back at the lights, and stretching your legs, having a seat belt across your chest, having protection from the elements and air conditioning.
    Because your conscious senses are bombarded with a number of differences that you are aware of - your behaviour will change.

    When you hop onto your bike, you have a helmet snugly fitted around your head, you are open to the elements, feel the road surface much more, feel the temperature and all of its changes and wind gusts, your hands are gloved and their movement is somewhat different, you probably wear protective gear (hopefully!) which is considerably more restrictive for motion that say shorts and a t shirt, and another fundamental difference is a bike activates the clutch with the hand, and the gears with the foot, a car activates the clutch with the foot, and the gears with the hand, a bike accelerates by hand, a car by foot, and so on and so forth.

    a good example is the temperature, a conscious reminder that you are more susceptible not only to the elements, but to the road surface, and more prone to injury in the event of a mishap - a 40km/hr T-bone on a bike will easily kill you - the same in a car will probably piss you off, and require you to pop a couple panadol while you fill out insurance forms.

    as a result of all of the conscious, and subconscious differences, your actions, attitudes and habits are created, and practiced in a vastly different manner between each vehicle.

    I would summarize by saying that while bieng a bike rider might alter some very minor actions (such as how far ahead you look while travelling - which is a relatively inactive action) it is unlikely to affect your active actions - at an intersection in a car you check your mirrors then drive off, on a bike you turn your head and view each direction directly, there arent any blindspots or pillars to obscure vision.
    additionally, on a motorcycle, a head check allows you to directly analyse a true position, whereas your car driving habits (where you only look in the mirror) gives you a reversed (reflected) position of everything.

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    Since riding, I've become a lot calmer in the car. Though it's more difficult to overtake slow drivers, I'm not as eager. I'm more aware of other vehicles, road conditions, lines, and overall more defensive.

    I agree that your surroundings determine how you interpret your actions on the road, but being aware on the bike has transferred to the car. I think it's impossible for there not to be a transfer between your riding and driving behaviour. If you are more aware on your bike you're more aware in your car and vice versa.
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    Sorry whats your point?

    I am a slow rider, put me in a good car and its a diferent story.

    I did an advanced driving course, Rodger Peterson was one of the instructors. By the time we had done half a lap he asked what kind of bike I ride. He picked it a mile away then spent the next 20 min saying "brake later and carry more speed into the corner". Being a biker makes me a more cautious driver, most of the time on the road it is a good thing, on the track it is a bad thing.
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    In some ways, eg road condition awareness, yes. In some ways ... driving your car like it was a small nimble bike, no.
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    I say yes. The increase in situational awareness is HUGE and this does translate through to driving, especially in relation to the ol' SMIDSY. Things like looking further ahead are also significant in improving one's driving. These things might seem small by themselves but all together, I think they make riders significantly better drivers

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    I Guess so... after racing 2-stroker's I now have the necessary skills to thrash the tits off my 1.3 corolla everywhere i go, keeping it in the "Powerband" coz the damn thing has no torque, burns oil like a mofo and gotta stop the plugs fouling up!

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    It makes you more aware of other bikes on the road, at least sometimes.

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    When i jump from my bike to my car i seem to find judging my speed alot harder for some reason, i often find myself speeding and have to keep telling myself to slow down and check the speedo. I guess i feel alot more disconnected in the car, not much road noise or feeling of wind to judge my speed like i do on the bike.
    I do now make sure i double check my bind spots in the car so i can never be accused of SMIDSY

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    On the bike I don't get road rage, I laugh. This has transferred to my driving where I expect the unexpected. But when cocooned with the heater and radio on and kids going off on the back seat I am just as likely to pull out on some dude on the bike as any other car driver. I wouldn't do that on a bike cos it would hurt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asher View Post
    When i jump from my bike to my car i seem to find judging my speed alot harder for some reason, i often find myself speeding and have to keep telling myself to slow down and check the speedo.
    First ever speeding ticket in 25 years on the road was last month. In a car on a piece of road I use every day. I don't blame the bike though. If I had been riding on that particular section of road I would normally have been doing 30km/h more and would have been walking for the next 28 days.

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    I have no opinion because in the 10 years since I first got my license I've never learned to drive a car.

    Hell Im not even adding anything to this thread.

    I'll show myself the door now.

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    What do you consider a good driver? Excellent car/bike/truck control does not make you good driver does it?
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    Being aware of your surroundings and anticipating likely scenarios yes. Making you a better driver- no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motig View Post
    Being aware of your surroundings and anticipating likely scenarios yes. Making you a better driver- no.
    100% agree with this...
    I have seen bike riders that have no care for themselves or others, whether they drive a car or not is irrelivent, it wont teach/change driving habits of a lifetime.
    I will answer the question in the negitive..thank god you didn't poll it, to easy for people to click rather than to say what they think.

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    Before you can answer that question tigertim20, you first have to decide what a "good" driver is. Tell me what you think a good driver is, and you'll be able to answer the question more easily.

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    I think one tends to learn to take better lines on a bike and likely to apply that in a car.

    Increased situational awareness should flow over to the cage as well.

    The negative is, it's easy to get more frustrated when driving because on the bike one can oass dickheads that hold up traffic etc.
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