Bad rep for Hyosung

[Muppet]

Hyosungs look awful, the name makes them sound like a brand of lawnmower and if they're cheap what is that telling you?

[mossy1200]

Almost owning a bike is good enough for us.Dont let your Hyosung get you down so much.

[ducatilover]

I use to spanner for a dealership that did hyosung and for a learner bike i would rather have a nearly new low k hyosung that some 20 year old flogged to shit not maintained jap can't get parts for it anymore 250/4 (insert japanese manufactures name here). The build quality apart from some paint issues is as good as most jap stuff, the engine cases and internal engine parts on your jap bike are most likely made by the same company that made the hyosung parts. As for electrical problems try owning a suzuki if you like fixing electrical problems, and not one of the jap manufactures make a relable charging system. They all seem to be able to last the warranty period but not much more, which is why my bikes wear a voltmeter so i know when the reg/rec is throwing in the towel.

I've never had prolems sourcing parts for CBR and ZXR 250s, parts are cheap on 'em too.

Have to agree with the 'zuki electrics especially the later (chinese assembled) GNs

I don't see why people go on about them, they're a marginally average bike for a reasonable price.
They're heavy and very simple, they weigh more than my 20 year old 600 for goodness sake and my 600 isn't exactly a feather.
They lack in power, you could have a GPX with 40hp and more torque, with better ratios and less weight for less money.

They are not good, they're marginally average.
How many times does it have to be explained...next someone will try say Harleys/Dukes are good

[mossy1200]

Harleys/Dukes are good

Idd own a Road King or a 1199 or both if my wife would take a second job

[ducatilover]

Harleys/Dukes are good

Idd own a Road King or a 1199 or both if my wife would take a second job

Oh you did go there.
Obviously I kind of sort of like Dukes...but the majority are not as good as what the Japs offer and the same goes for a Hardley.
They do however have brand/wank appeal, old technology (mostly) and the best looks in their classes. Which is what works for me.
The Hyo doesn't even have any of those to make up for its lack of anything good

[mossy1200]

Oh you did go there.
Obviously I kind of sort of like Dukes...but the majority are not as good as what the Japs offer and the same goes for a Hardley.
They do however have brand/wank appeal, old technology (mostly) and the best looks in their classes. Which is what works for me.
The Hyo doesn't even have any of those to make up for its lack of anything good

Admit it you would own the new 1199 ducati.It would prob give plenty jap bike a scare in the twisties

[ducatilover]

Admit it you would own the new 1199 ducati.It would prob give plenty jap bike a scare in the twisties

Note I said most are not as good as the Jap offerings There aren't many Dukes I'd not buy (any Monster, Elephant and the Multistrada series, I like the majority of Dukes)
One comparison would be a 900ss, similar $ to a nice VTR or TL these days and not as good a bike (I love 'em to bits though, as unimpressive as they are)
An 1199 would do the job

[Muppet]

Harleys/Dukes are good

Idd own a Road King or a 1199 or both if my wife would take a second job

You obviously don't own either of them, if you did your wife would have to go on the game to pay for the servicing and inevitable repairs. And that's just on the hog, she'd have to sell a kidney to pay for the $1000 a service for the duke!

[mossy1200]

You obviously don't own either of them, if you did your wife would have to go on the game to pay for the servicing and inevitable repairs. And that's just on the hog, she'd have to sell a kidney to pay for the $1000 a service for the duke!

I told her before we got married she would need to make sacrifices to play on team Mossy but shes let me down a bit lately.

[The Everlasting]

Well I agree that they sound nice with a aftermarket can.

[avgas]

My 84 VT250 had all those attributes, and held its own against a hyosung in a straight line, my mates 88 VT250 beat us both. Mine was 2,100, his was 2k even I think. Thats why hyobags get a bad rep, they are 25 years behind the curve

Are you both still life partners now or did you get married?

[baffa]

We all have bias and rose tinted glasses. Most people love their first bike, regardless of how good it actually was.
Look how many people rep GNs for example.
I loved my VTR250, but Im sure plenty of people would knock them.
Ive ridden a few GT250Rs, and they do feel cheap, but they are a tidy bike that do the job they are built for well.
But if anyone thinks they make good power or sound good, then they are seriously deluded.

[tbs]

Hyosung might get a bit of respect if they actually made something good. And by good I mean anything above entry level. I bought a Ninja 250r to learn on. It was pretty good for what it was, but it had plenty of shortcomings and I was happy to point them out. The thing is, Kawasaki also make the ZX6r and the Zx10r. The baby Ninja doesn't have to justify itself. It just basks in the the reflected glory of these really good sport bikes. Same with the new CBR and I think Yamaha have a new 150 that looks like an R6. Hyosung might not be hated on so much if they bothered to create something genuinely aspirational. But I suspect they never will... and to be fair, even if they did it would no doubt take a long time to break the brand perception they have created for themselves, of being a bit crap. So, Hyosung owners will always feel the need to justify their bike based on whatever merits they perceive it to have.

A quick note on perception of quality. I sell and repair watches. Frequently I get cheap crappy imitations in for repair. If it is a self winding mechanical watch I point-blank refuse to work on it.... because it's just a turd and it always will be. I'm occasionally asked how I can tell it's a fake, usually when the customer thought they had the genuine article. Man, where do I start? I can't just say "because it's just a horribly executed piece of crap compared to the real thing." That kind of comment might well be true, but it isn't good for business. It does however, continue to amaze me how many watch owners have absolutely no perception of how poorly made and/or finished their watch is, or just how much attention to detail can be bunged into something as small as a wristwatch. I think it is the same with bikes. The difference is, here on Kiwibiker their are loads of people familiar with higher quality bikes, and they get a bit tired of endless Hyosung owners praising their rides, and they don't mind telling you exactly why your budget bike sucks.

Well, that's my perception anyway.

[ducatilover]

We all have bias and rose tinted glasses. Most people love their first bike, regardless of how good it actually was.

Too true, my first bike was an '86 GPZ400R, nothing spectacular, but I've always like them...
First bike I completely fell in love with was a GB500TT in burgundy with a solo seat
Second was a 900SS with loud pipes.

[pritch]

We all have bias and rose tinted glasses. Most people love their first bike, regardless of how good it actually was.

Well my first bike was a 1954 AJS 350 single, by most modern standards a joke. Then again, i think the clutch in that worked better than the clutch in my Ducati S4R.