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    Not enough motorcyclists

    How bloody ironic!

    "While overseas research suggests that greater use of motorcycles could play a key role in reducing vehicle congestion, a declining pool of licensed riders could mean New Zealand would be unable to take advantage of this says Motor Trade Association (MTA).

    A recently released study by Belgium consultants Transport and Mobility suggests that a shift towards motorcycles results in shorter queues that disappear sooner and travel times that are significantly less.

    When 10 percent of all private cars are replaced by motorcycles, total time losses for all vehicles decrease by 40 percent.

    The study also looked at the effect such a shift to motorcycles might have on overall vehicle emission levels. New motorcycles emit fewer pollutants* compared to average private cars. The total external emission costs of new motorcycles are more than 20 percent lower compared to average private cars. The highway test component of the study indicated that total emission costs can be reduced by 6 percent when 10 percent of private cars are replaced by motorcycles.

    Ian Stronach, MTA Marketing and Communications General Manager says "Though there are some differences in the transport situations between Europe and New Zealand, it is entirely possible that an increase in the use of motorcycles of the level mentioned in this study could see significant reductions in traffic congestion locally. It's only logical that more people using physically smaller and more nimble forms of transport would lead to less congestion, fewer emissions and faster travel times."

    This study comes at a time when New Zealand's car fleet is aging quickly, and the availability of suitably priced used imported vehicles to replace older, cheaper cars is declining. A shift to motorcycles as a cost effective form of transport could be a viable alternative for New Zealand, however a potential lack of licensed riders could mean the ability to capitalise on this form of transport is severely limited.

    While riders of mopeds (under 60cc) are able to do so using their car license, there has been a significant fall in the number of people aged between 15 and 24 years of age holding a motorcycle license in recent years. Data from Ministry of Transport (MoT)* shows that there are fewer than 13,000 people in this age group with a motorcycle license, compared to more than 102,000 in the 65 plus age group. 15-24 year olds make up 15 percent of all car license holders, but just 3 percent of those licensed to ride a motorcycle.

    Stronach says: "The bulk of those licensed to ride motorcycles on our roads is a carry-over from the heyday of motorcycling, 20 and 30 years ago. If the trend continues, it will not be feasible for New Zealand to even contemplate motorcycles as an aid to reducing congestion; as older riders 'retire' from riding, there simply aren't enough new license holders coming through to replace them.
    "With active encouragement, effective training regimes and friendlier road design, motorcycling could take its place as an effective part of our overall transport system."
    "Age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill"

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    Never happen. NZ is too concentrated on cotton-wooling it's citizens. Motorcycles are dangerous WMDs and the riders are all maniacs.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Never happen. NZ is too concentrated on cotton-wooling it's citizens. Motorcycles are dangerous WMDs and the riders are all maniacs.
    yep while we have a Govt that oppresses rather than embraces bikes people won't be joining the biker crew. However flip-side is the biker crew will largely contain only those whom should be part of it rather than those who are here because of a "cheaper, faster ride"
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    Quote Originally Posted by cold comfort View Post
    as older riders 'retire' from riding...
    RETIRE from riding??? Not fucking likely. They'll have to drag me screaming and kicking from my bike. Actually, they probably will one day...



    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    the riders are all maniacs.
    So I'm a maniac. I knew that. Most people who see me on the road probably do too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    ..........Motorcycles are dangerous WMDs and the riders are all maniacs.
    YOU CALLED?
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    Is it any wonder the number of young riders are in decline?

    My young fella drives a car that is cheaper to register, insure and run than a sports 250. It uses less gas than my bike and the driving test for cars is piss easy. Plus no messing around at 70kmh for him. His mates are the same, they all drive.

    Its pretty clear that this Govt does not care about bikes, even the way the Northern Gateway is priced the same for bikes and cars tells us heaps on how they think.

    My commute is from South Auckland to the Shore and I'm lucky to see another 5 bikes in 55kms of riding. That is how things are now.

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    70kmh?

    I was under the impression that the 70kph limit was removed for learner riders in sept. last year? Was informed of this by a friendly police officer who pulled me over while going 70 in-between Inverz and Dunedin.
    Had to politely inform him that I always do 100 because 70 is stupid and dangerous, however I was on my little CBF125 and was in an insane headwind and couldn't go any faster

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    The bit that worries me is:

    Data from Ministry of Transport (MoT)* shows that there are fewer than 13,000 people in this age group with a motorcycle license, compared to more than 102,000 in the 65 plus age group. 15-24 year olds make up 15 percent of all car license holders, but just 3 percent of those licensed to ride a motorcycle.
    Basically far more people are going to be leaving motorcycling (due to death form old age) than starting motorcycling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennyjreg View Post
    Had to politely inform him that I always do 100 because 70 is stupid and dangerous, however I was on my little CBF125 and was in an insane headwind and couldn't go any faster
    Ouch (10 chars)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Stronach, MTA Marketing and Communications General Manager
    "With active encouragement, effective training regimes and friendlier road design, motorcycling could take its place as an effective part of our overall transport system."
    So, not a chance in hell, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cold comfort View Post
    How bloody ironic!

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    , there simply aren't enough new license holders coming through to replace them.
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    to quote Charlton Heston... they can have my bike, when they prise it from my cold, dead, hands.
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    send this to acc maybe they'll reduce they tax on motorcycles


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    send this to acc maybe they'll reduce they tax on motorcycles
    And they will send you their sensitive claims file!.

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    This has to be the most serious situation facing motorcyling. No young blood.

    If bad drivers and our own reckless tendencies don't kill us off, then simple attrition will be the end of motorcyling in NZ and elsewhere by those numbers.

    Look at the hair colour at turnouts and regular weekend ride destinations, even trackdays. Grey or bald! Atleast I blend in.

    When I was 17 riding with mates to Akaroa every Sunday we scoffed at those 30 plus oldies that still rode. Can't recall if there were real oldies riding then? you know over 45s.

    Now, most of us riders you see at Martinborough would be shocked if ever a rider turned up under 30.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MD View Post
    This has to be the most serious situation facing motorcyling. No young blood.

    If bad drivers and our own reckless tendencies don't kill us off, then simple attrition will be the end of motorcyling in NZ and elsewhere by those numbers.

    Look at the hair colour at turnouts and regular weekend ride destinations, even trackdays. Grey or bald! Atleast I blend in.

    When I was 17 riding with mates to Akaroa every Sunday we scoffed at those 30 plus oldies that still rode. Can't recall if there were real oldies riding then? you know over 45s.

    Now, most of us riders you see at Martinborough would be shocked if ever a rider turned up under 30.
    Fair one, My mate and I rode to the Puhoi pub today. Im 30 and would have easily been the youngest of 30+ bikers that were there while i was enjoying a pale ale.

    Shit be crazy!
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