Originally Posted by ducatilover
Send him down here for the weekend,
ill try get it impounded for street racing, would be one hell of a background story
Forum whore
Send him down here for the weekend,
ill try get it impounded for street racing, would be one hell of a background story
black cat
Not at all Beemer, remember she was a scooterist before now. I think the practise in a slow group could do the world of good.
e mare libertas
Brave fellow.
The fact that after decades of practice you're still not very good at controlling motorcycles doesn't imply that everyone else has to suck quite so hard for quite so long.
What he said.
Trackdays save lives.
Start doing them regularly, GM.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
e mare libertas
I see that the perpetual fawning has increased your confidence to the point of posing for the camera.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
2 weird 2 live, 2 rare 2 die.
So what is a good idea then ? Encouraging relatively inexperienced riders on to the streets, in brutal city traffic ?
On the track there is strict safety rules in place, which can actually be enforced. There is room to maneuver is you make a mistake and even more room if you do go off the track. It is the perfect place to learn to control a bike properly. Given that there is different groups for different speeds, not many people are going to be there to actually "race" around the track.
Arguing against track time is like arguing that helmets are bad because they weigh your head down.
Thread Killer
Having old mens tongues down the back of your pants for 16 pages does that......evidently.
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e mare libertas
Switch to displaying the maximum of 40 posts per page ('Settings'->'My Settings'->'General Settings'). Makes threads much easier to deal with.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
mini meeeeeee
(she says about her own post) I know, but thanks for that advice - very helpful.
I lahk to moove eet moove eet...
Katman to steveb64
Weekend cruiser
Sometimes civility is mistaken for fawning, usually by rude bastards
e mare libertas
... nah bro. The amount of saliva (and potentially other, more precious, bodily fluids) obviously puddling around keyboards in this thread indicates fawning.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
Thread Killer
Its called GroomingSometimes civility is mistaken for fawning, usually by rude bastards
Senior Grumpy Old Bastard
Oh dear, the alterations to other peoples suggestions performed above, translates to::::
I have a small brain, and ride a 'baby' HD as the only large thing about my own ability is my ego.... My own riding ability is such that I have to vilify others to make myself look better than I really am in the eyes of the inexperienced...... I'll call things like 'roadcraft' nebulous, although the Police Roadcraft manual is the one used by almost all Police riders and trainers and civilian advanced training instructors worldwide,,,, but of course they know nothing as I have told you its nebulous..... many top race riders admit that the road requires some different skills to the track, I'll tell you I know better!
Track days alone do NOT save lives.... they are designed to teach you the limits of the bike and riders abilities, which is not a bad thing in itself... riding on the limit is expected on a race track, as has been so frequently pointed out, tracks are designed for high speed use... roads have varying surfaces, blind and vision obscured corners, sheep netting, fences, kerbs, hedges, power poles etc etc,,, all waiting to say 'hello' to an unwary rider..... and before you comment Mr Random on how much bollox that is/// GM You tube the Isle of Man TT race and see the severity of the accidents that happen and how many of the best riders have lost their lives riding a 'real road' circuit...
Because it is absolutely unforgiving of any rider error or mechanical defect and breakage.
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If the road to hell is paved with good intentions; and a man is judged by his deeds and his actions, why say it's the thought that counts? -GrayWolf
Senior Grumpy Old Bastard
Sometimes civility is mistaken for fawning, usually by rude bastardsmate you seem to be the one with a fixation on bodily fluids in this thread,,, methinks Mr Random, thou dost protest just a little too much,,,,,
have a nice day
If the road to hell is paved with good intentions; and a man is judged by his deeds and his actions, why say it's the thought that counts? -GrayWolf
e mare libertas
GrayWolf, your annoyance at my needling is blinding you to the important point at issue here, which is the usefulness of trackdays and the precise argument that I'm making.
The point of trackdays is to teach machine control.
It's self-evident that being aware of your surroundings is necessary on the road. But it's not enough.
It's no good being aware when what's required to respond to those observations goes outside of what your neuromotor units have learned to do.
To fix that shortcoming, you need to explore how your machine behaves while repeating things over and over in a safe environment.
Nobody's saying that that's the be-all and end-all of the matter. But it's a crucial first step. There's little point heading out and trying be road-crafty when you don't know how your machine feels and behaves at the limits of its braking, turning and accelerating performance.
And I believe that it's worth stressing this to learners, because if it's not stressed, they'll be intimidated by the idea of trackdays and not show up at any.
And then they'll tootle into an unexpected decreasing-radius corner and all the 'roadcraft' in the world won't help them to brake and turn beyond what they've already learned, which they happened to be using 100% of on corner entry. Nek minnit, broken neck.
Yes, I know, 'roadcraft' says you shouldn't do that. But it's theoretical. If you haven't taught yourself the real boundaries of a motorcycle's performance envelope, it can be very difficult to get from A to B without using 100% of your actual ability to control it, a lot of the time. And you never know when that limited ability will be exceeded by events that your 'roadcraft' failed to allow for.
Expand that ability.
Trackdays save lives.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
Hardcore Biker
What he said,
Doesn't play well with others!
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