When you find yourself heading into the ditch

[steve_t]

Everyone at some point must have found themselves facing a certain crash only to just come out of it at the last second.

Ive recently been taught that if theres more weight over the front, it means you will turn a sharper line with the same lean angle (due to shortening your wheel base). So if you were heading off the road, and already in a turn. Would tapping the front brakes quickly throw weight forward and aid you turning in or would you just loose front end stability?

Are you going along to NASS or SASS or whatever?
Braking should always be done progressively - this is something to practice. Countersteering will help you turn sharper - this is something to practice. I'd recommend further training

[Nzpure]

I have not tried this in a corner that i thought i was going off the road, but twist of the wrist states roll the throttle on more and counter steer that bitch so your elbows down and you'll get there (slightly exageratted) but rolling on the throttle (if its not already wide open) will apply down force on the rear tyre (and the front apparently??) increasing the grip area allowing more lean and just hold on for dear life.

[sinfull]

Slow down and there won't be a problem young fella !

[bogan]

So did I. It was muddy.

Was it ever!

[BoristheBiter]

So did I. It was muddy.

aren't they all.

[darkwolf]

First - look where you want to go, not where you don't want to go.

Second - if you are turning but pushing wide: Get down, low and to the inside of the bike, push the inside bar forward. This should help steer the bike around the corner.
or stand the bike up, brake smoothly, progressively and aggressively, then, importantly, turn back in at the (hopefully) reduced speed and around the corner

Third - learn from your mistakes, slow down, and get some skills training.

As has already been discussed, don't grab the brakes mid corner. You are more likely to cause the bike to become unstable and panic - but if you must, stand the bike up before hitting the picks.

I can't remember where I heard it but if you are absolutely sure you are going to crash, the best thing you can do it at least try to avoid it. The worst case scenario is that you crash - which you were already sure you were going to do any way.

[p.dath]

I have not tried this in a corner that i thought i was going off the road, but twist of the wrist states roll the throttle on more and counter steer that bitch so your elbows down and you'll get there (slightly exageratted) but rolling on the throttle (if its not already wide open) will apply down force on the rear tyre (and the front apparently??) increasing the grip area allowing more lean and just hold on for dear life.

Twist of the writst is talking about what to do if you loose traction (with regard to throttle), as opposed to going into a corner too hot.

[p.dath]

Having the front loaded up will cause it to turn in sharper, but more due to the change in rake than wheelbase. But since you've already turned in and hit the fear barrier, bad time for a weight change! Simplest solution is best, running wide? turn tighter.

A reduction in trail will allow for a faster turn in - at the expense of stability. It might be a suitable technqiue for use at the track when you plan to use it, rather than part way through a road corner after deciding you've over cooked it.

[skinman]

I would not grab the front brake if I thought I was too hot in a corner, it has the effect in my experiance of standing the bike up or causing a front end push, neither will help getting around a corner. if I am too fast in, reduce throttle & apply rear brake, drop shoulder in & wait, ignore massive peg grind then apply throttle to get the bike to stand back up to exit & also get everything stable again as cruisers do not like to be pushed through a corner like that and will shimmy & bounce until you get drive on.
Much better to go slow in, fast out.

[nodrog:Me]

1. dont listen to Internet riding advice.

2. dont try and learn to ride soley from watching videos and reading books, its abit fuckin hard to "refer to chapter 12" as you are Ruben Xausing it into an oncoming mr whippy truck.

[sinfull]

mr whippy truck.

Sprinkles ......

[nodrog:Me]

Sprinkles ......

you might flake out

[sinfull]

you might flake out

Only do that after too many cones

[willytheekid]

Slow down and there won't be a problem young fella !

1. dont listen to Internet riding advice.

2. dont try and learn to ride soley from watching videos and reading books, its abit fuckin hard to "refer to chapter 12" as you are Ruben Xausing it into an oncoming mr whippy truck.

+1
Best advice posted so far

ALWAYS ride to your own ability, the bikes and the conditions

Books and vids only teach the "theory" of riding...a good riding instructor will not only teach you the theory, but put it all into practice.
Go to rider training! (then advanced rider training) its lots of fun and VERY addictive, But most importantly...the skills learnt will make you a safer rider and ensure you have many years of riding ahead of you. (And may save your life one day)

Everything else will come with experiance and time spent in the saddle

Ride safe KBers

("its abit fuckin hard to "refer to chapter 12" as you are Ruben Xausing it into an oncoming mr whippy truck"... classic!)

[nodrog:Me]

Only do that after too many cones

"too many" you mean hundreds and Thousands?