When you find yourself heading into the ditch

**sinfull** · 19th April 2012, 12:49

[QUOTE=Stirts;1130305964]An arse full infact!

All i see is an arrow !

**nadroj** · 19th April 2012, 21:17

I bet you like the brown smartie's!

**300weatherby** · 19th April 2012, 21:50

Originally Posted by numbersixteen16

Everyone at some point must have found themselves facing a certain crash only to just come out of it at the last second.

Ive recently been taught that if theres more weight over the front, it means you will turn a sharper line with the same lean angle (due to shortening your wheel base). So if you were heading off the road, and already in a turn. Would tapping the front brakes quickly throw weight forward and aid you turning in or would you just loose front end stability?

Ignore your ditch. look where you want to go, get on the gas and lead with your chin.........

**GSF** · 20th April 2012, 11:20

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

All sounds a bit choc-dipped to me.

Agreed, sounds like trying to sugar-coat it I reckon.

**buellbabe** · 20th April 2012, 12:15

Find yourself heading towards a certain crash???

No such thing. That sounds like " oh well it looks like its pre-destined thing that I'm gonna land in the ditch so I might as well give up".

Never say die!

If you have gone into the corner too hot just look where ya wanna go and lean the bike over MORE.

The bike is FULLY capable of getting around the corner, YOU are the only thing holding it back.

Good Luck!

Like its already been said, ideally you wanna be in the right gear and hitting the right speed before you enter the corner LOL.
But that said, sometimes shit happens and I can personally testify to that hahahahaha

**numbersixteen16** · 21st April 2012, 17:14

Originally Posted by 300weatherby

Ignore your ditch. look where you want to go, get on the gas and lead with your chin.........

Underdstood, and usually you are focused on the apex. However after riding fatigue comes into it, you might find you loose concentration and bad habits start to show.

**CHOPPA** · 22nd April 2012, 19:52

If you find yourself in that position. You would do best to disregard 90% of the information you have just read

**Fast Eddie** · 22nd April 2012, 20:01

Originally Posted by CHOPPA

If you find yourself in that position. You would do best to disregard ~~90%~~ 99% of the information you have just read

haha recon

**FJRider** · 22nd April 2012, 20:08

Originally Posted by Stirts

An arse full infact!

Don't eat the brown one's ...

**mossy1200** · 22nd April 2012, 20:38

Dont stress the council has re-alighned that corner now. Its just a succession of no corners now.

**Andy67** · 22nd April 2012, 21:53

Originally Posted by buellbabe

Find yourself heading towards a certain crash???

No such thing. That sounds like " oh well it looks like its pre-destined thing that I'm gonna land in the ditch so I might as well give up".

Never say die!

If you have gone into the corner too hot just look where ya wanna go and lean the bike over MORE.

The bike is FULLY capable of getting around the corner, YOU are the only thing holding it back.

Good Luck!

I reckon the quality of contributions has taken a big step back, but not this post or 1 or 2 others.

I am an average biker for sure and would like to share a scenario where this happened to me.

Coming back from Coro I stopped at the kaiua fish and chip shop. I love that place, best ever. Ran into a bloke who had a K1300R, obviously a man of taste. We set a good but legal pace up the coast and it wasn't long before we were up behind traffic.

Short straight, quick squirt and past...my new mate scared a turkey out of the ditch and it was on track to take my head off.

I ducked and missed the little brown missile...

decelerating through the nano second ths all took place. You can possibly imagine my surprise when i popped up heading into a tight 55k lefty at a good clip. I shat myself and I don't do that easily. I was in deep had crossed the centre line, stopping was not an option so i went around, way hot. A good number of lessons all here, all replaying instantly. I don't ride like this and yet. Got out fine. Why?

Right position on te road, safety margin and used that all, time on the bike, who knows?

I haven't had any track based training because I thought it taught at 10/10ths and that's not what I wanted to apply to my road riding. Why would I need that ? sure wish I had track training when that corner corner came up.

**sugilite:Me** · 22nd April 2012, 22:46

Originally Posted by 300weatherby

Ignore your ditch. look where you want to go, get on the gas and lead with your chin.........

Pretty much the best advice here. I'd just add that the gas is often, but not always the answer.

To the OP.
In that type of do or die situation there is no time to think, only DO. How much can you load a front end up? that all depends on all the usual variables, speed, road condition, camber, tyre and suspension condition. Roll that lot into one, and call it "feel". Ride heaps, do track days get as much experience as you can and it all helps you build up this "feel" database. Oh and have fun doing it

**Andy67** · 26th April 2012, 07:51

Originally Posted by numbersixteen16

Everyone at some point must have found themselves facing a certain crash only to just come out of it at the last second.

Ive recently been taught that if theres more weight over the front, it means you will turn a sharper line with the same lean angle (due to shortening your wheel base). So if you were heading off the road, and already in a turn. Would tapping the front brakes quickly throw weight forward and aid you turning in or would you just loose front end stability?

By coincidence I was sent this:

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWH_Q...e_gdata_player

Cheers Andy

**Maki** · 3rd May 2012, 18:05

Originally Posted by numbersixteen16

Everyone at some point must have found themselves facing a certain crash only to just come out of it at the last second.

Ive recently been taught that if theres more weight over the front, it means you will turn a sharper line with the same lean angle (due to shortening your wheel base). So if you were heading off the road, and already in a turn. Would tapping the front brakes quickly throw weight forward and aid you turning in or would you just loose front end stability?

Everyone? I have been riding bikes, push bikes and motorcycles for more than 30 years and I have NEVER EVER found myself facing a certain crash. If you want to crash, then look at what you think you are going to hit and tap the front brake. You will hit the thing you think you will hit EVERY SINGLE time. If you don't want to crash, then keep your hands off the brake, look were you want to go and control the bike with counter steering. Gently rolling on the throttle will tend to be helpful. Chopping the throttle suddenly may lead to disaster.

Have fun, and don't ever assume you are going to crash.

**BoristheBiter** · 3rd May 2012, 18:42

Originally Posted by Maki

Everyone? I have been riding bikes, push bikes and motorcycles for more than 30 years and I have NEVER EVER found myself facing a certain crash. If you want to crash, then look at what you think you are going to hit and tap the front brake. You will hit the thing you think you will hit EVERY SINGLE time. If you don't want to crash, then keep your hands off the brake, look were you want to go and control the bike with counter steering. Gently rolling on the throttle will tend to be helpful. Chopping the throttle suddenly may lead to disaster.

Have fun, and don't ever assume you are going to crash.

So you have never crashed then? on any bike?