100 bhp is all I need debate - again

**Nzpure** · 21st April 2012, 18:10

Originally Posted by GrayWolf

as it happens I filled up on the way home this evening... 11 ltrs for 203 kms

That bloody brilliant gets better mpg then the busa lol.

**tigertim20** · 21st April 2012, 18:32

Originally Posted by ducatilover

Remember, the FJ and ZZR are very old bikes these days, the partial throttle power on the modern fullas is biblical compared to the older beasts, I would put my $$ on a 'Busa spanking an MT-01 in roll on tests.
I'd rather ride an MT though, it's disturbingly cool!

have you ridden one though? they are fucking boring. I looked forward to riding it for weeks, and I was massively dissapointed. boring, no character at all.

**ducatilover** · 21st April 2012, 18:40

Originally Posted by tigertim20

have you ridden one though? they are fucking boring. I looked forward to riding it for weeks, and I was massively dissapointed. boring, no character at all.

Nope, have ridden all the others though.
You just burst the fuck out of my bubble bro

**tigertim20** · 21st April 2012, 18:53

Originally Posted by ducatilover

Nope, have ridden all the others though.
You just burst the fuck out of my bubble bro

better than letting the anticipation build.
theyve worked soo hard at making it smooth, that its lost the riding character youd expect from a twin. its TOO smooth to the point of being a bore too ride. It was nice to thump away up a hill at 100km/hr doing 2200 rpm or so, and it pulled smoothly when you rolled on the gas, but it was boring in the same way i found the bmw s1000rr boring - its been refined too much. I like a few rough edges to add character.
Id buy a 1700cc V twin because I want it to be lumpy, and deliver forward momentum with a kick in the chest and a roar in the ears. It just didnt do it for me.

it would be a great commuter especially if you did highway riding to get to work and back, or would be a good mid to long range bike - effortless touring, but little fun factor

**GrayWolf** · 21st April 2012, 18:57

Originally Posted by ducatilover

Nope, have ridden all the others though.
You just burst the fuck out of my bubble bro

if you liked the HD rev's/power.. you will like the MT... it is a cruiser motor that has basically been tweaked, put into a reasonable frame and suspension package. The performance is about the same as an XR1200, may be a little faster on acceleration. Compared to my ZZR? yes it is 'slow'.. about 1.25 seconds slower over a standing 1/4.. and at least 70kph less top speed. But the MT is as quick overall up the taka's etc. if not a bit quicker in some places. I have no doubt some will find them 'boring'.... just like I find sprot bikes boring to ride. My reason for finding them boring is the exact reason others love them, ridiculous power delivery, unforgiving suspension and bloody uncomfortable.
They indeed can be described as 'wheezy'? up top.. they are not 'up top' machines; the power is produced in the usable speed range.... not at 150kh plus in top gear like the big bore power bikes.

**mossy1200** · 21st April 2012, 19:14

Originally Posted by ducatilover

Nope, have ridden all the others though.
You just burst the fuck out of my bubble bro

Mines not boring.
I have had rsvmille,zxr12r,blackbird,sp1.
What I like about the MT is the fun is at speeds that dont endanger the licence.
Rimutaka in 3rd and 4th gear is a blast on a MT.They just need be riden between 3 and 4 tho revs like a large old enduro bike.

**BMWST?** · 21st April 2012, 19:23

the MT 01s are 1800cc right?

**scracha** · 21st April 2012, 19:23

I love the 75-80 ponies my tedium makes......but that doesn't mean I want to stop or sneer at anyone who enjoys a bike with 18 or 180 ponies.

Trackbike/racebike .... i like about the same but that's only because I don't get free tyres and brake pads.

And having lived in France for a bit...if you believe bikers there put up with the 100bhp limit then you're clearly deluded.

**mossy1200** · 21st April 2012, 19:25

Originally Posted by BMWST?

the MT 01s are 1800cc right?

1670

**BMWST?** · 21st April 2012, 19:35

100 hp in a lightish tourquey package with good ground clearance,good brakes,good size( i am 190cm),and nice neutral handling and good fuel economy(or range) would do me just fine

someone make me a list!

**DEATH_INC.** · 21st April 2012, 19:36

I rode a V-Rod Muscle the other week (it was a customers) that had the baffles pulled etc, and they only rate it @86 ft/lb @ a measly 6500 rpm stock, but I'd put money on it to 100mph over a sprotbike. It may not win every time, but it was ludicrously grunty off the line, and so damn easy to launch, and it even got to 125mph

pretty readily. It was actually a bloody hoot to ride.

**ducatilover** · 21st April 2012, 19:43

Originally Posted by GrayWolf

if you liked the HD rev's/power.. you will like the MT... it is a cruiser motor that has basically been tweaked, put into a reasonable frame and suspension package. The performance is about the same as an XR1200, may be a little faster on acceleration. Compared to my ZZR? yes it is 'slow'.. about 1.25 seconds slower over a standing 1/4.. and at least 70kph less top speed. But the MT is as quick overall up the taka's etc. if not a bit quicker in some places. I have no doubt some will find them 'boring'.... just like I find sprot bikes boring to ride. My reason for finding them boring is the exact reason others love them, ridiculous power delivery, unforgiving suspension and bloody uncomfortable.
They indeed can be described as 'wheezy'? up top.. they are not 'up top' machines; the power is produced in the usable speed range.... not at 150kh plus in top gear like the big bore power bikes.

Not a fan of much related to H-D, the only thing I think I dislike so far about the MT-01 is the noise, I despise 45 degree twin noise with a passion.

Wouldn't it be nice to have that kind of torque and then some real top end power? No reason why Yamaha couldn't do it.
The XR1200 is the only HD I'd own currently, I'd just park it up and gawk at it.

Originally Posted by tigertim20

better than letting the anticipation build.
theyve worked soo hard at making it smooth, that its lost the riding character youd expect from a twin. its TOO smooth to the point of being a bore too ride. It was nice to thump away up a hill at 100km/hr doing 2200 rpm or so, and it pulled smoothly when you rolled on the gas, but it was boring in the same way i found the bmw s1000rr boring - its been refined too much. I like a few rough edges to add character.
Id buy a 1700cc V twin because I want it to be lumpy, and deliver forward momentum with a kick in the chest and a roar in the ears. It just didnt do it for me.

it would be a great commuter especially if you did highway riding to get to work and back, or would be a good mid to long range bike - effortless touring, but little fun factor

Makes sense to me. My vibrating homo single cylinder GN is actually full of LOL when you get over the fact it's amazingly slow. I fuckin' love the thing, so wobbly and hilarious.

Originally Posted by mossy1200

Mines not boring.
I have had rsvmille,zxr12r,blackbird,sp1.
What I like about the MT is the fun is at speeds that dont endanger the licence.
Rimutaka in 3rd and 4th gear is a blast on a MT.They just need be riden between 3 and 4 tho revs like a large old enduro bike.

I'll have to try one out

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

I rode a V-Rod Muscle the other week (it was a customers) that had the baffles pulled etc, and they only rate it @86 ft/lb @ a measly 6500 rpm stock, but I'd put money on it to 100mph over a sprotbike. It may not win every time, but it was ludicrously grunty off the line, and so damn easy to launch, and it even got to 125mph

pretty readily. It was actually a bloody hoot to ride.

You'd fuckin' hope so after allt he hype that was made over a bike that isn't as good as a VMAX

**GrayWolf** · 21st April 2012, 19:54

[QUOTE=mossy1200;1130307600
What I like about the MT is the fun is at speeds that dont endanger the licence.

Rimutaka in 3rd and 4th gear is a blast on a MT.They just need be riden between 3 and 4 tho revs like a large old enduro bike.[/QUOTE]

Those two statements are 'IT' in a nutshell..
.if you want top end power in a twin, go buy a Duck... Guzzi do not really chase top end power either. its about fun and enjoying the ride, not being at the edge of ability at high speeds. I have done and there are those on KB who have been riding at speed at times with me. I am capable of 'fast riding' maybe not as fast as others. You don't actually get time to enjoy the actual 'ride'.. you are concentrating so intently on the 'art' itself of rapid progression.

I will repeat Mossy's 1st point again.. I have as much fun at 90-130kph on the MT as I ever did/do on the ZZR at 200kph.