Paekakariki Hill Rd speed limit will be reduced to 60km/h

[Ocean1]

Lower it further, below what is seen as an 'acceptable' speed limit by road users and they will get even less compliance leading to a number of other safety problems.

I doubt you'd find a single soul stuck to the limit on either road as it stands, so I'd say we're already well down that track.

Excuse the dredge but it highlights the gradual creep towards walking pace http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ock+hill+limit

Aye. At what rate of non-compliance do they admit that everyone else is right and they're wrong?

[FJRider]

At what rate of non-compliance do they admit that everyone else is right and they're wrong?

Depending on the numbers of people, on both of those roads, that may have lived if they (or another vehicle involved) was going slower.

I guess if the slogan "Speed Kills" is to be believed ... going slower must be the answer ... right ... ???

[Paul in NZ]

Had to happen sooner or later.

More people are living there and more people are using it - it can get really busy some days. Back when it was 100kph and really having issues the Police ran some information stops etc and they were getting 35 accidents a month on it. This has been on the radar for a LONG time.

The question will be - how many accidents will occur at 50kph?

Its a shame but its almost inevitable...

[pzkpfw]

Not so long ago some dick messes up on the passing lane between Paraparaumu and Waikanae. Loses control on the bend after the passing lane stops, crosses the centre line; kills himself and a no-fault-of-his-own guy coming the other way.

Next thing you know, the speed limit is now 80km/h for that whole stretch of road, and the passing lane is removed.

It doesn't matter that (metaphorial) you and I never crashed on that road. Nor the road between J'Ville and Tawa when it was 100 km/h; nor on the gorge when it was 100 km/h; ...

The statistics apparently show fewer crashes when the limit is lowered. That's all it takes. You'll never argue against it.

The very best we can do is try to keep not crashing on the "fun" roads, to encourage them to keep their current limits.

[rastuscat]

It sure takes some fucktards to spoil the roads for most.

Go find a place where no Popo will use a radar and ring the nuts from your bike.

Ho hum.

[Usarka]

I'm concerned about all you people saying you like pie cock.

[la buona]

http://www.pcc.govt.nz/News---Events...n-Porirua-City

Ah well here's the links simple as filling in a submission say as little or as much as you like. Till June 15.

[Rhys]

All roads should have a speed limit of 30 kph , problem solved

[DEVVIL]

It sure takes some fucktards to spoil the roads for most.

Go find a place where no Popo will use a radar and ring the nuts from your bike.

Ho hum.

Sounds good to me

[Frodo]

I only ride the Hill Road by motorbike and pushbike early in the morning before the boy racers have woken up. Its a wonderful road regardless if powered by leg or petrol. But I live near the fire station in Paekakariki and hear the regular call-outs to crashes on the Hill Road and so have changed when I ride it.
This is another example of regulatory bodies mixing speed and driver skills. If the speed limit would be set at the lowest posted speed (and enforced), there'd still be accidents. Just don't get me started on the lower road toll be due to reduced speed rather than safer vehicles and better roads...
In reality, the fun parts of this road will only rarely have radar traps - its simply too tight. So pootle along the lower, straighter sections where Mr Plod may hang out, and enjoy the upper bits.
And in the meantime, ping the boy racers...

[Ocean1]

There's a procedure, (who would have guessed?) for setting speed limits.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/ru...-2003.html#s12

"Calculating a speed limit" sounded promising...

3.4 Operating speeds
The mean speed and the 85th percentile speed on a road should not be significantly greater than the speeds specified in Table SLNZ3. On medium- to high-volume roads the standard deviation becomes important, as a road with a narrow distribution of speeds is less hazardous than one with a wide distribution. If operating speeds exceed the values specified in the table, it is likely that additional measures such as engineering, enforcement, education and publicity will be necessary to reduce speeds.


Table SLNZ3 Mean and 85th percentile operating speeds

Speed limit Mean speed (km/h) 85th percentile speed (km/h)
50 km/h 50 60
60 km/h 60 70
70 km/h 70 80
80 km/h 80 90
100 km/h 100 110



And there's no chance we'll be calling the solution any sort of "engineering". So it'll be "education" and "enforcement". 'Cause the majority opinion on the matter doesn't count, on account of us all bein' so uneducated an' all.

Apparently there's a wee ap' somewhere, there that crunches all the numbers and tells you the "correct" speed, but I can't find it.

What I do know is that the eventual limit won't bear any resemblance to an engineering calc'. It will, however bare a striking resemblance to a certain number currently formost in the collective council's mind.

[RuoskaNZ]

Welp, there goes my favourite wellington road.
I generally stick to the current speed limit, as it is just the corners I want to play in. and cant afford tickets. But 60km/h will be just painful.
It is a goat track when I first got on it, but soon you realise your lines and see the road is pretty damn good as long as there hasn't
been any rain recently. No heavy vehicles/not many is what keeps it nice.
A true goat track is the makara beach back road . Was almost impossible to even touch the speed limit most of the way, so much loose shit.
Ahwell, there has been an increased mufti cop presence on it so maybe they are upping the anti.
Coming soon to a road near you?

The previous list works to a point, unless there is easy tickets to be had.
Lower ALL the speed limits.

[willytheekid]

It sure takes some fucktards to spoil the roads for most.

Go find a place where no Popo will use a radar and ring the nuts from your bike.

Ho hum.

...so sadly true

Ummm...could you possibly provide a list of said roads please

I grew up in paraparaumu, and that road was just the SHIZ for bikes (used to punt my old GPZ900 over it on a regular basis, certainly didn't have to "speed" to enjoy it @100kph, the corners and the scenery are just georgeous!)

[MrKiwi]

Not so long ago some dick messes up on the passing lane between Paraparaumu and Waikanae. Loses control on the bend after the passing lane stops, crosses the centre line; kills himself and a no-fault-of-his-own guy coming the other way.

Next thing you know, the speed limit is now 80km/h for that whole stretch of road, and the passing lane is removed.

It doesn't matter that (metaphorial) you and I never crashed on that road. Nor the road between J'Ville and Tawa when it was 100 km/h; nor on the gorge when it was 100 km/h; ...

The statistics apparently show fewer crashes when the limit is lowered. That's all it takes. You'll never argue against it.

The very best we can do is try to keep not crashing on the "fun" roads, to encourage them to keep their current limits.

True, except it is not us riders crashing, it is car drivers. People need to learn to judge safe speeds on the trickier corners. That why we have speed advisory signs on corners that might require a slower speed than that for the stretch the road operates under. It is worrying-some that some road controlling authorities are looking to assess what is the slowest bit of the road and then apply that speed to its entire length.

[SPman]

So what's up with all the bins? What's causing them? Are people's machine-control skills really that poor?

I can't believe you said that.........

The mean speed and the 85th percentile speed on a road should not be significantly greater than the speeds specified in Table SLNZ3.

And is this 85th percentile taken from a road with no speed limit, because, if not, then it is yet more meaningless claptrap that is used as justification for continually lowering speed limits.....