teenage road deaths

[justsomeguy]

Ixion, you talk like someone who never did a bit of hooning when he was young.
The thing with younger people is that they do not consider or think about the consequences of their actions. It's not that they are bad or evil just that such thinking is not usually part of their psyche.

Also I am sick of the media and the rest of the PC brigade busy advocating the speed kills misnomer.

Speed does not kill, inability to control the vehicle at whatever speed kills.

If the kids were doing 200kmph in a 30k zone, managed to stick to their side of the road, slowed and stopped they would still be getting drunk somewhere at this point instead of being 6ft under.

How many deaths per "fast riders only" rides do we have here???

[HDTboy]

Ixion, you talk like someone who never did a bit of hooning when he was young.

Ixions post made perfect sense to me, and I've done my fair share of hooning, and still consider myself young. In fact what he's said put into words what I've been thinking better than I could do myself.

[SPman]

Ixions post made perfect sense to me, and I've done my fair share of hooning, and still consider myself young. In fact what he's said put into words what I've been thinking better than I could do myself.

Me too . . . .
Personally, after 40 years of this same old crap - car full of young people crashes at speed killing most aboard, I dont think it matters what you do, apart from prohibiting all people under the age of 90 from driving.
There always have been young guys (normally)whose ego outstrips their ability, wiping out themselves and sundry others, and, in one way, shape or form, there always will be.
All the pious, self interested, posturing by society, politicians, and well meaning lookers-on will not change this. All it provides is another potential lever by one group of citizens to obtain an advantage over another group - nothing is really changed!
If its not cars, it was horses, or any other form of transport you could think of.
Its not nice, but, its fucking life. You cannot protect everyone, everywhere, all of the time, from actions that may harm themselves or others, and until society as a whole grows up and realises that among life there is death, its all fucking pointless!

[NordieBoy]

hmmmm again why do idiot like this own cars
my couson owns a
subaru wrx around 300hp and 1 1/3 tonnes
he is 23yrs however he has been driving motor cars since he was 12yrs(thats another story) and has never crashed his average open road speed is
140-180kph
just making the point that its not the speeders or the younger drivers
its the unexperienced drivers that have NOT got proper driveing tecniqes

Ps i cant speel for shit

Wonder how many people around him have had near misses/crashes though.

[Brian d marge]

Heres an Idea ..what about making training fun ...ie cheap and it good fun so you want to go back again and again,,,,

Ruapuna ,,, skid pans, tyre smoking '( doesnt sound right does it ) ...and mixed in with all that is how to read and predict traffic ..just exactly like advanced driving..open weeknights till 7pm from 3,,,and cheap to

taught car control ....( Just like peter brock ) advanced driving ,,,,makes driving easier ,,,AND you can huss ( is that the word ) up a few tyres ...Plenty of them from the wreckers!!

all for I dont know $30 ?? ( what can you average teenager afford these days .... ( my after school job paid emmm $15 ,,,a few years back

Just a thought

Stephen
If they did one for bikes I would be there every day .....

[pete376403]

Govt (or LTSA) has officially nixed the idea of advanced driver training in any form. Whichever department it was said that it (adv training) would encourage people to take risks or drive fast or summat like that.

[Hitcher]

Govt (or LTSA) has officially nixed the idea of advanced driver training in any form. Whichever department it was said that it (adv training) would encourage people to take risks or drive fast or summat like that.

Another decision based on high-quality empirical evidence...

[Lou Girardin]

20 dead kids in around three months makes the "kids will be kids" argument a little moot.
If someone helps a young driver to circumvent restrictions they deserve whatever penalty they get.
But, the first thing that needs to be done to improve road safety is to clean out the LTNZ and Police traffic safety bosses and start afresh.

[mstriumph]

Anyone else seen this? http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/s...story_1460.asp..... is it feasible? [obviously not on a bike ..... lol]

[Jeremy]

Anyone else seen this? http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/s...story_1460.asp..... is it feasible? [obviously not on a bike ..... lol]

Of course it's feasible. Then have a quick think about what comes next:

1: Why not record everything (that's not hard to do, hardware compression and massive storage media sizes means you could store years worth of driving)

2: Any time the speed limit is broken just broadcast it straight to the police, (really really easy to do)

3: Why not just broadcast the position of the vehicle all the time? (gps tracking is wonderful and dirt cheap)

4: Well if it works so well for young people then why not put it in all vehicles.

Anyway I'm going to leave this thread alone now. But I'll leave with one last point. Don't change legislation on events that occur in the media as they are always rare events. No-one reports about the common events and they're the important ones.

[madboy]

Finally I've had time to get through this thread... I don't have any brilliant ideas on stopping young people from dying in cars. Each argument has it's pros and cons. But fact is... young people do stupid shit. If you have the time to read my dribble below, I'll relate a little of my childhood.

I learnt to drive in my parents 1988 and then 1991 Honda Civic 1.5 manual... 66kW. I spun it on the motorway one day just after I'd got my license back from my first disqualification and rooted both ends on the barriers aquaplaning at about 90km/h, because that was under the speed limit so must be safe. Another time (aged 18 or so) I found it was enormous fun to get it into a 4 wheel drift through a series of corners until I f***ed it up and rolled it onto it's side. Funnily enough, my turbocharged 1988 Sigma GSRX (my first car) was at home cos I couldn't afford gas for it. Friday and Sat nights were spent baiting the pigs into a chase, and in those days a Sigma had the edge, so of course, shortly thereafter I had to sell the Sigma cos I got disq again for demerits. I promptly told the cop to go f*** herself and climbed in the car and got chased home. This is how I know the police don't back out at 180km/h in a 50 zone at 5.30pm on a Friday evening. Oh dear, add 15mths to the 3mth demerits. Luckily a mate was selling his bright red lowered Toyota Sprinter so at least I had something to drive for the 18mths I was disq. Of course, it was registered to my g/f and mates didn't mind me sharing their identities for the four times in 18mths I got stopped.

Many years later when I was up for my third disq (demerit points again), I was long past the idea of getting caught for driving disq, so I bought a nice nondescript looking car (no Evo/WRX wanky bits hanging out) and it just so happened to be a black Mazda Familia sedan... with a 1.8 turbo and some wanky bits, more than capable of doing a runner when required. Ironically, I never needed to because I fluked 3 months without getting stopped. Then two weeks later I did, and got busted, but that's another story.

And those are but a few of the highlights.

Now I've had a lot of driving experience, driven above average kays until recent years, and I've done a bit of racing too. Up until I settled down a couple years back, I was pretty damn good at driving really really fast. I didn't take some of the extreme risks that many dumb f***s do (never was into cutting blind corners), and I guess that goes some way to explaining why I'm still here.

But do you know the real reason why I'm still here? L U C K

CC rating didn't stop me crashing. Horsepower didn't either (fastest car I ever had was a Lancer with 200kw+ at the wheels that I never ever even scratched, and that included racing it). Education didn't - I knew how to control a car, I knew the risks. But they were never going to happen to me. Why? Cos they just weren't.

It's not until you lose that attitude that you stop doing stupid shit... and if you do stupid shit it's just like a lotto ticket... odds of winning (or dying) are slim, but it happens to a punter or two every week.

[Ixion]

Of course it's feasible. Then have a quick think about what comes next:

1: Why not record everything (that's not hard to do, hardware compression and massive storage media sizes means you could store years worth of driving)

2: Any time the speed limit is broken just broadcast it straight to the police, (really really easy to do)

3: Why not just broadcast the position of the vehicle all the time? (gps tracking is wonderful and dirt cheap)

4: Well if it works so well for young people then why not put it in all vehicles.

Anyway I'm going to leave this thread alone now. But I'll leave with one last point. Don't change legislation on events that occur in the media as they are always rare events. No-one reports about the common events and they're the important ones.

Believe the man. Be very careful of demanding restrictions on other people, for you may find that you too are other people.

[Ixion]

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But do you know the real reason why I'm still here? L U C K

CC rating didn't stop me crashing. Horsepower didn't either (fastest car I ever had was a Lancer with 200kw+ at the wheels that I never ever even scratched, and that included racing it). Education didn't - I knew how to control a car, I knew the risks. But they were never going to happen to me. Why? Cos they just weren't.

It's not until you lose that attitude that you stop doing stupid shit... and if you do stupid shit it's just like a lotto ticket... odds of winning (or dying) are slim, but it happens to a punter or two every week.

That's true enough. A lot of it is just blind luck. I've known of people die in trivial, piffling crashes (bike and car), at little more than walking speed, that you wouldn't believe anyone could be hurt at all. And others walk away from total devastation , at highly illegal speed, that you'd swear nothing could live through, with hardly a scratch.

And I've had my fair share of incidents where by all the rules I should have crashed. But I didn't, not because of skill, not because I was riding/driving a slow bike/car, not because of training or education, but just because of blind dumb luck. I was lucky, don't know why, didn't deserve it , some people aren't.

End of the day, riding a bike is dangerous. So is driving a car, you're propelling a ton or so of metal at high speeds and going along with it. It's dangerous, and sometimes someone is going to run out of luck.

Anyone who can't live with the fact that being on the road, or their kids being on the road,carries with it a possibility of dying, needs to think whether they should be there at all. It's never going to be guaranteed safe, and demanding all sorts of restrictions (only on OTHER people of course) isn't going to make it so.

[NotaGoth]

You ban young'ns from driving certain cars.. their still gonna drive them.. what are they gonna do???? take their licence off them? they'll be back on the road driving the same car in no time.

then what are they gonna do? take their cars off them..? they'll be driving another one in no time.. i mean how many people out there are driving with no licence.. or a disqualified licence???

restrict the CC rating and hope like crazy they won't try and attempt to reach speeds above 100kmph in it? they are still gonna reach those speeds.. just means you have to push your car more.. so that to me is silly talk

so tell me.. why do they make cars that go over 100kmph if thats the speed limit..?

wasn't there something on the tv a while ago going on about how a teenagers brains aren't developed enough for them to be able to make appropriate judgements..? and that it isn't developed fully until they hit their 20's? I forgot what it was about..

next thing you know they'll be trying to ban people from driving until they hit their 20's.. it can;t happen! some people do have to drive themselves to work.. specially those in rural areas with no forms of public transport..

restrict passengers and their still gonna have passengers in the cars with them..

how about inforcing higher panalties for younger people who are breaking the rules..?

its just never ending..

*theresa*

[NotaGoth]

End of the day, riding a bike is dangerous. So is driving a car, you're propelling a ton or so of metal at high speeds and going along with it. It's dangerous, and sometimes someone is going to run out of luck.

Anyone who can't live with the fact that being on the road, or their kids being on the road,carries with it a possibility of dying, needs to think whether they should be there at all. It's never going to be guaranteed safe, and demanding all sorts of restrictions (only on OTHER people of course) isn't going to make it so.

*giveZ* you a cookie and *PatZ* your head

I totally agree with that.

*theresa*