Help me choose between these two please

**Nzpure** · 15th May 2012, 08:32

Originally Posted by rooney111

I'm short and not beefy but not puny either. Okay thats just the manpride talking, I wouldn't have a clue. Next time I go check out a bike I will try manhandle it and see how successful I am.

You actually sold me there with the GZ250 description, that is exactly what I want from a bike, but being light weight in wind is a little concern. From what I've gathered comet gt250 is actually not a bad first learners bike? And no I won't have to go over 110km/h and I don't wish to at this stage.

Haha @ the 'if you're a fella'. Dude don't play with another man's ego its dangerous lols!

**Tigadee** · 15th May 2012, 08:53

Originally Posted by rooney111

I'm short and not beefy but not puny either. Next time I go check out a bike I will try manhandle it and see how successful I am.

Yeah, with the side stand down (on the left hand side) and bike upright, stand on the opposite/right hand side of the bike.

Grip the handlebar and front brake lever, put your left hip to the tank and start to slowly lean it over. You can judge how light or heavy a bike is for picking up.

Originally Posted by rooney111

You actually sold me there with the GZ250 description, that is exactly what I want from a bike, but being light weight in wind is a little concern. From what I've gathered comet gt250 is actually not a bad first learners bike? And no I won't have to go over 110km/h and I don't wish to at this stage.

Cruisers normally have a lower centre of gravity, which makes them also stable, so wind shouldn't be a problem.

The Comet's a good bike, it's not a road rocket and easy enough to ride, just heavy (both the bike and my 110kgs on top) which was a concern for me. Mine had fallen over twice and I found it very difficult to pick back up, and I'm not a scrawny fella - although I concede I may just not have been used to it yet. Riding position of the Comet (leaning forward, bent knees) is well suited for motorway while the cruiser-types need a wind sheild for motorway because of the wind pushing you back at an already upright feet-forward position.

Originally Posted by rooney111

Haha @ the 'if you're a fella'. Dude don't play with another man's ego its dangerous lols!

Sorry, just couldn't tell from your name... Rooney111?

But you work out, so that will help with both handling the bike and also riding stamina as the first things you'll notice when you start riding is your wrists and back will feel strained. That's normal and over time you'll get used to it, but a strong core (stomach and back muscles) helps a lot.

BTW, in terms of resale value, it's hard to say as they are two different bikes. The red newer Hyo will appeal to younger/taller/sporty riders, the brandnamed Suzuki to more matured/shorter/relaxed and quite a few female riders.

**Tigadee** · 15th May 2012, 08:56

Originally Posted by Nzpure

I learnt on a gt250r, Best little big bike i ever rode and still wish i had it. its heavier then most sport bikes but it felt light and flickable and really forgiving. mind you for your size maybe a ninja or a cbr?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-472805537.htm - o yeaaaaaaa

Dude's budget looks to be about $2-3K....

Originally Posted by rooney111

also cheap commuting you work and back.
trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=473585871 - bottom dollar 2.2k
trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=468884133 - 2.8k

**Akzle** · 15th May 2012, 09:32

Originally Posted by Nzpure

You're an idiot.....its not a chinese bike.....

fucken charming, you are. bet your mum's real proud.

i use the term "chinese" roughly how many people would use "asiatic" although i do not include the japanese or the innuit.
so when i say chinese i do mean every mongol between the russian border and the pacific, down to the north coast of australia.
indian, malaysian, thai, mandarins or oranges - i give not a shit.

the governance, labour laws, quality control standards and level of industrialisation is roughly equal across the range.

since becoming an independent manufacturer (having stolen the japanese's ideas and designs, but lacking their understanding) i believe that the quality of hyos has declined, probably more due to material quality than inherent design faults, there's also a vast difference in engineering-think between a scooter designed to carry a family of 7 in rush hour traffic, and sports bike.

It is still a common fault (not sure if hyo specifically are guilty) that they still operate on a tender basis, which means while they're all assembled in the same factory, and that factory will carry spares for a while, the manufacturers of each individual component have no liability to the end user, and they get the job because they can produce the parts the cheapest. so your "hyosung" branded bike may be assembled from 50 different factories -the wheel factory, the cable factory, the plastic factory, the tank factory, the left-pedal factory and the right-pedal factory, the frame factory etc, etc.

but cheers for raising that point, all be it in an arrogant way.

**ellipsis** · 15th May 2012, 10:11

Originally Posted by Akzle

fucken charming, you are. bet your mum's real proud.

i use the term "chinese" roughly how many people would use "asiatic" although i do not include the japanese or the innuit.
so when i say chinese i do mean every mongol between the russian border and the pacific, down to the north coast of australia.
indian, malaysian, thai, mandarins or oranges - i give not a shit.

the governance, labour laws, quality control standards and level of industrialisation is roughly equal across the range.

since becoming an independent manufacturer (having stolen the japanese's ideas and designs, but lacking their understanding) i believe that the quality of hyos has declined, probably more due to material quality than inherent design faults, there's also a vast difference in engineering-think between a scooter designed to carry a family of 7 in rush hour traffic, and sports bike.

It is still a common fault (not sure if hyo specifically are guilty) that they still operate on a tender basis, which means while they're all assembled in the same factory, and that factory will carry spares for a while, the manufacturers of each individual component have no liability to the end user, and they get the job because they can produce the parts the cheapest. so your "hyosung" branded bike may be assembled from 50 different factories -the wheel factory, the cable factory, the plastic factory, the tank factory, the left-pedal factory and the right-pedal factory, the frame factory etc, etc.

but cheers for raising that point, all be it in an arrogant way.

...you sir are a fucking twat...for no other reason than, thats what you are...

**bogan** · 15th May 2012, 10:12

Originally Posted by Tigadee

Grip the handlebar and front brake lever, put your left hip to the tank and start to slowly lean it over. You can judge how light or heavy a bike is for picking up.

Sounds like a good way to get a smack from the seller

The dude is 73kg, its a 250, even a hyo should be easy enough to pick up

I'd probably go for the hyo (if I had a gun to my head and had to chose one from this bottom of the barrel selection

), bit more sporty, bit better handling etc. Yes the hyos have a bad rep, and yes I think it is at least partially justified, but it is a 4 year old bike for 3k, so thats a point in its favour.

**Tigadee** · 15th May 2012, 10:49

Originally Posted by bogan

Sounds like a good way to get a smack from the seller

The dude is 73kg, its a 250, even a hyo should be easy enough to pick up

LOL

Fair enough, I guess I was just not used to the bike at that time...

**Asher** · 15th May 2012, 14:12

It really comes down to what you want to do with the bike.
If its only commuting go for whatever is the most comfortable and fuel efficient.
If you plan on commuting and going for a blast through the hills in the weekend the hyo would be more fun or any other sporty bikes.

Remember it takes awhile to get to your full license so look for a bike that will meet your needs till then, not just right now.

PS i wouldnt be too worried about not being able to pick the bike up, your not going to drop it very often and when you do people are normally happy to help lift it if you cant do it by yourself.

**Akzle** · 15th May 2012, 14:32

Originally Posted by ellipsis

...you sir are a fucking twat...for no other reason than, thats what you are...

i'll see your child-minded reply, and raise you an "eat a dick, i could hardly care less ~~what~~ if you think"

**ellipsis** · 15th May 2012, 15:14

a negative blanket statement covering a somewhat massive area of the planet and its population deserves nothing more than a negative bit of shit in reply... twat...

**Str8 Jacket** · 15th May 2012, 15:32

Originally Posted by ellipsis

a negative blanket statement covering a somewhat massive area of the planet and its population deserves nothing more than a negative bit of shit in reply... twat...

In this case his reputation precedes him....

**tigertim20** · 15th May 2012, 16:42

Originally Posted by rooney111

173cm, 73kg, chch, primarily looking to get to work and back. But first and foremost need to learn riding. Most of riding will be normal road with about 10mins on motorway everyday. Tried the comet and its big but not too big. I see what you mean by being heavy and suits taller people. I'm really torn between a cruiser and naked comet.

Don't want too heavy just in case if I cant lift it back up, but do not want too light for it to get too dangerous on windy conditions. I do lift at the gym so hoping to make use of the strength lols

OK so youre a fair way shorter than me, you have as options a virago, a aquila, a GT, a GTR, a GPX, a new ninja, a Hornet, a Bandit, a VT, a VTR, a Xanthus, a Zeal, and thats just off the top of my head. You could throw the GN in there if you want, but they are an awful bike.

all of those would be fine for what you intend to do, so you have a few options

**Tigadee** · 15th May 2012, 17:46

Originally Posted by rooney111

I'm short and not beefy but not puny either. Okay thats just the manpride talking, I wouldn't have a clue. Next time I go check out a bike I will try manhandle it and see how successful I am.

For your budget. I think is quite suitable:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-475832806.htm

**Nzpure** · 15th May 2012, 19:03

Originally Posted by Akzle

fucken charming, you are. bet your mum's real proud.

i use the term "chinese" roughly how many people would use "asiatic" although i do not include the japanese or the innuit.
so when i say chinese i do mean every mongol between the russian border and the pacific, down to the north coast of australia.
indian, malaysian, thai, mandarins or oranges - i give not a shit.

the governance, labour laws, quality control standards and level of industrialisation is roughly equal across the range.

since becoming an independent manufacturer (having stolen the japanese's ideas and designs, but lacking their understanding) i believe that the quality of hyos has declined, probably more due to material quality than inherent design faults, there's also a vast difference in engineering-think between a scooter designed to carry a family of 7 in rush hour traffic, and sports bike.

It is still a common fault (not sure if hyo specifically are guilty) that they still operate on a tender basis, which means while they're all assembled in the same factory, and that factory will carry spares for a while, the manufacturers of each individual component have no liability to the end user, and they get the job because they can produce the parts the cheapest. so your "hyosung" branded bike may be assembled from 50 different factories -the wheel factory, the cable factory, the plastic factory, the tank factory, the left-pedal factory and the right-pedal factory, the frame factory etc, etc.

but cheers for raising that point, all be it in an arrogant way.

You sir, Are an ignorant idiot. Asiatic would have been more accurate. Although japanese should be excluded. However it does not change that fact your and ignorant igit.