Help me choose between these two please

[bogan]

my above statement stands. if anyone wants to bring facts or constructive discussion to the table, feel free.

Well, stands is a it of a stretch, flops around the floor like a fish out of water is perhaps more accurate. Is Korean rubbish really that much harder to say than Chinese rubbish?

[arkeo]

Since you said that your riding experience is poor, if I were you I'd choose the less depreciable one. If I am right (because I am not sure to have understood NZ rules) beginners can't ride over 250 cc, so it is likely that you will change the bike as soon as you will allowed to do. Furthermore, Marauder seems to be a "niche" bike, a bit less versatile than Hyosung. I never rode both, so I can't share a grounded judgment but I am sure that 250 cc may become quickly a great constraint As a side note, Hyosung is not a Chinese firm - is Korean. Generally speaking, Korean people are close to Japaneses in several respects - they share seriousness and other qualities that end in an industrial artifact, so I would not be so worried if I liked that bike.

cheers!

Apx.

[Fast Eddie]

i will not support the chinese for at least another 10-15 years (when they're proven themselves) that said, plenty of people have ridden them (quite hard) and found few faults.

i also will not support a GN.... it won't be much fun once you have got the hang of it.

LOL you must not know how to ride them.. all bikes are fun, the soft small bikes give me the biggest laugh. W.O.T. - never let up, let it do its thing while you laugh and bounce around. hilarious

[ellipsis]

my above statement stands. if anyone wants to bring facts or constructive discussion to the table, feel free.

...stands where...round the corner with the rest of the unsound opinions , hoisted on us by twats...


...opinions, like arseholes, we all have them...and we should stand and accept a kicking for posting them because this is the ether man, and you're on it, fuck it..............twat...

[Fast Eddie]

The red newer Hyo will appeal to ... sporty riders...

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
nah im sure they are fine - its just like saying the gym will appeal to the obese population. it just doesnt, not to the true eaters who love their food and hate exercising.

does this analogy work? is this even an analogy..

where am I..

[Fast Eddie]

my above statement stands couldn't stand on its on two feet. if anyone wants to bring facts or constructive discussion to the table, feel free. I'm coming out of the closet. 1...2...3..

ah - I feel much better now.

Eddie the Internet Hero!

[GrayWolf]

To the Original Poster
I am often amused by the constant 'slagging' Hyobuckets receive here. To put things into a little more perspective. Hyo basically produce 2 sizes of bike 250 and 650. I also realise they have just upgraded the 650 cruiser to a 700cc, but as this is not the engine version 99% of us have any knowledge about on the road, I have left it out! (just before some smartarse points it out ).... The JAPANESE still make bikes that have faults, some have had possible serious defects that can affect brakes and frame components, besides 'design faults' in the engine componentry. What gets 'lost' is that a particular model (example my MT-01) is lost among the plethora of bikes of various capacities and styles manufactured by Yamaha. The issue that could have had a catastrophic end was the dog bone on the rear suspension. In the UK I believe they had a couple of failures of this component due to the salt used on the roads weakening the material and it cracked. The rear swing arm also had to be beefed up due to the huge amount of torque and 'power pulses' of a big V twin. Really these are 2 HUGE design faults but, the bikes were recalled and problem fixed.
Now I know and could list at least one bike made by each manufacturer (japanese) that has had some form of design/mechanical issue in the last 5 years...
So as much as Hyobag's get hammered over production quality... this also needs to be tempered with the knowledge even the mighty japanese , oh and triumph AND Hardly Rideable's, and Moto Guzzi, and Ducati....... get the idea???
With your height possibly the Hyo could be a bit tall, but as its a 'standard' machine it could be possible to drop the forks and rear suspension a little... worth asking about at a dealer/workshop for hyo's////

[Akzle]

Generally speaking, Korean people are close to Japaneses in several respects - they share seriousness and other qualities that end in an industrial artifact,

you really believe they're at the point of manufacturing artifacts? i just don't believe this.. and won't until i see the proof -- longevity.
i'm open to being proved wrong on it, but that'll take about 10 years. they've only been doing proper "sports bikes" since about 2005, the company as it exists today has only been around since 2007.

Is Korean rubbish really that much harder to say than Chinese rubbish?

no it's not, but as i explained above 'chinese', for the sake of this argument and as far as i'm concerned, covers that whole region, for the reasons explained above.

[Tigadee]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
nah im sure they are fine - its just like saying the gym will appeal to the obese population. it just doesnt

Heh! Heh! Well, it's looks like a nekkid sports bike, so learners who are so inclined towards 'sporty' bikes (notice I didn't say "sports bike") might consider the Comet...

[GSF]

Don't want too heavy just in case if I cant lift it back up, but do not want too light for it to get too dangerous on windy conditions. I do lift at the gym so hoping to make use of the strength lols

Picking up a dropped bike by yourself is a really useful thing to learn, you probably will have to do it at some point. It's all about technique, strength is not really an issue.

I can't really describe it, but just look up a clip on Youtube, search "how to lift dropped bike" or something. There's one demonstrating the proper technique where a very small and slim American lady puts a fully-laden Electra Glide back upright without any major strain.

[rooney111]

Picking up a dropped bike by yourself is a really useful thing to learn, you probably will have to do it at some point. It's all about technique, strength is not really an issue.

I can't really describe it, but just look up a clip on Youtube, search "how to lift dropped bike" or something. There's one demonstrating the proper technique where a very small and slim American lady puts a fully-laden Electra Glide back upright without any major strain.

Now that's something!!

[Tigadee]

This one by Jerry the Motorman is also good, with excellent tips for when the bike falls on either side:

[Maha]

This one by Jerry the Motorman is also good, with excellent tips for when the bike falls on either side:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeLkr...yer_detailpage

This is best of the best of how to pick up a bike!....

[GrayWolf]

you really believe they're at the point of manufacturing artifacts? i just don't believe this.. and won't until i see the proof -- longevity.
i'm open to being proved wrong on it, but that'll take about 10 years. they've only been doing proper "sports bikes" since about 2005, the company as it exists today has only been around since 2007.

no it's not, but as i explained above 'chinese', for the sake of this argument and as far as i'm concerned, covers that whole region, for the reasons explained above.

What you seem to be forgetting, or maybe didn't know, was there was a period of 'tie up' between Hyosung and Suzuki on engine development around the SV650 beginnings. So Hyo had a flying head start in some respects. As I pointed out the Japanese STILL get it wrong at times.... Now would you like a few of us old buggers to start listing the issues and bad designs, even terrible/catastrophic failures of the japanese manufacturers when they first started massive volume sales worldwide?

[Crisis management]

Another vote for the Hyosung, I got one for my son to learn on and it was perfect, looks like a real bike, easy to ride and reliable, what's not to like?
I've ridden and maintained it it's no different to jap bikes of 20 years ago and it is fun to ride, fast enough on the road, capable on the track (Taupo) ad dirt cheap to fix if you do have a lie down.
If you're concerned by sporting pretensions look at how they perform in the Hyosung cup (local Hyosung 250 road race class).

Ignore the doom merchants, find a well maintained one and enjoy.


(remember it's your first bike, not your dream bike, just get riding and learn)