Finally, the announcement of the Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)

**Jantar** · 21st July 2012, 22:51

Originally Posted by Asher

All of those 250cc and under bikes that have been crashed or damaged and the parts been replaced with non OEM replacements will technically be illegal

Only if they affect the power to weight ratio. Not all after market parts are lighter than origional or increase power, some are simply cosmetic.

**Asher** · 21st July 2012, 22:56

True but it would be hard to know if a previous owner had done it.

But realistically how many 250 and under bikes would exceed 150kw/T? Its just creating unnecessary hassles

**ducatilover** · 21st July 2012, 22:57

As far as I'm concerned that means less dicks riding loud CBR/ZXR etc etc things that sit at 8-10,000rpm at open road speeds

**ducatilover** · 21st July 2012, 22:59

Originally Posted by Asher

True but it would be hard to know if a previous owner had done it.

But realistically how many 250 and under bikes would exceed 150kw/T? Its just creating unnecessary hassles

My GN250 is technically illegal

**breakaway** · 22nd July 2012, 00:05

So how are they going to police this? If you install an aftermarket muffler, /technically/ that may impact the power output of the engine right?

**nzspokes** · 22nd July 2012, 08:23

Originally Posted by breakaway

So how are they going to police this? If you install an aftermarket muffler, /technically/ that may impact the power output of the engine right?

They will have specifically trained staff. Yes thats the kind of thing they will be looking for.

People have to remember they are learners so they dont need huge HP. Just learn to stay alive.

**nzspokes** · 22nd July 2012, 08:24

Originally Posted by ducatilover

My GN250 is technically illegal

You GN technically doesnt go.

**SMOKEU** · 22nd July 2012, 09:56

It may even be illegal to service the bike with non genuine parts, as those consumables may weigh less than the genuine parts.

**Subike** · 22nd July 2012, 10:11

Well. then it stands to reason, by the opinion of this thread,
that any modifications to you learners bike,
will be flouting the law, thus making you illegal.
So I removed the passengers seat and foot pegs,
I have lightened the bike by .oh...3 kilos?
Shit, I might get another 5kph top end speed.....
But because I cant legally carry a passenger.
I took off what I dont need.
Bugger, I'm now outside the law.......strange.

I would think that the No Modification thing
would be more in line to apply to those bikes over 250CC that appear on the LAMs list.
As some of them are close to the limit,
and as discussed in other threads, would take little to modify past the limit.

And that any 250cc bike not listed on the LAMs list,
IMO, is free to be what ever it is..modified or not.

The over all message is that the people in this class are learners
Learners need to learn to become educated.
Getting out and riding sensibly powered bikes, that are reasonable to control, gives that education.
That education should come from being a survivor of the process without offs,
Not a victim of that education by becoming a statistic.

**bogan** · 22nd July 2012, 10:30

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It may even be illegal to service the bike with non genuine parts, as those consumables may weigh less than the genuine parts.

Sorry sir, you only put 2L of oil in, it clearly says 2.3L, here's your pink sticker

**ducatilover** · 22nd July 2012, 10:33

Originally Posted by nzspokes

You GN technically doesnt go.

Fucking semantics

**dmc** · 22nd July 2012, 17:43

Sounds like an incentive to get your full as soon as possible, people can bitch but you're only on your learners for a short amount of time so just suck it up and once you have your full you can enjoy faster bikes with huge rego costs.
As far as if mods are legal or not it will fall back on the rider to prove its legal, if its obvious its not standard then your asking for trouble, if it looks legal then your probably not going to have a problem.
As you can tell I don't think its much of an issue, as now you can buy a lot more bikes even if you lose race rep two strokes from the list on your learners so it should be cheaper to get something more suitable, since you're only on your learners for a short amount of time then you have a whole life to enjoy what ever bike you want. If you're desperate to ride something faster get a track bike and go nuts.

**akkadian** · 22nd July 2012, 19:10

Swapped out the tail light on the mrs gn125 for a small led one yesterday. Cant wait to tell her she cant legally ride it for another 9 months as its 300gm lighter

**ducatilover** · 22nd July 2012, 21:18

Originally Posted by dmc

Sounds like an incentive to get your full as soon as possible, people can bitch but you're only on your learners for a short amount of time so just suck it up and once you have your full you can enjoy faster bikes with huge rego costs.
As far as if mods are legal or not it will fall back on the rider to prove its legal, if its obvious its not standard then your asking for trouble, if it looks legal then your probably not going to have a problem.
As you can tell I don't think its much of an issue, as now you can buy a lot more bikes even if you lose race rep two strokes from the list on your learners so it should be cheaper to get something more suitable, since you're only on your learners for a short amount of time then you have a whole life to enjoy what ever bike you want. If you're desperate to ride something faster get a track bike and go nuts.

I didn't realise you couldn't enjoy fast bikes on your learners? There's nothing stopping someone from buying any bike they want...

**FJRider** · 22nd July 2012, 22:19

Originally Posted by akkadian

Swapped out the tail light on the mrs gn125 for a small led one yesterday. Cant wait to tell her she cant legally ride it for another 9 months as its 300gm lighter

It wont change the power/weight ratio to outside the prescribed legal limits ...

A cheap way to improve the ratio in her favour ... is put her on a diet. Perhaps you should suggest it ....