Finally, the announcement of the Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)

**Asher** · 22nd July 2012, 22:29

Originally Posted by FJRider

It wont change the power/weight ratio to outside the prescribed legal limits ...

The way it is written means that even if a modification only changes the power to weight from 1kw/t to 1.001kw/t it will be illegal

**FJRider** · 22nd July 2012, 22:43

Originally Posted by Subike

I would think that the No Modification thing
would be more in line to apply to those bikes over 250CC that appear on the LAMs list.
As some of them are close to the limit,
and as discussed in other threads, would take little to modify past the limit.

And that any 250cc bike not listed on the LAMs list,
IMO, is free to be what ever it is..modified or not.

I dont think there's a need for you to carry passengers is there ... you don't have your full licence yet ... do you ... ??

I had a brief consultation with the guy at the local testing station on the subject ... his idea of the legislation as it is written is ... The basic power / weight ratio applies to all bikes available to those on the learner / restricted licence. The no modification rule is aimed at those with "Intent" to flout the ratio rule ... either by engine modification / improvement. Or the removal of factory fitted restriction, fitted at the time of manufacture.
Should an Officer of the Law have any doubts as to the ability of your bike to pass the required test ... An infringement notice MAY be issued ... AND ... a pink sticker (may) be attached to said bike. At the said Officer of the Law's descretion ... of course ...

You can apply for a bike not on the list ... to be put on the list.

**FJRider** · 22nd July 2012, 22:50

Originally Posted by Asher

The way it is written means that even if a modification only changes the power to weight from 1kw/t to 1.001kw/t it will be illegal

With Police descretion in law enforcement ... re: The land Transport act ... I very much doubt if anybody will get pinged for a non standard tail light. Or similar. Unless of course you fail the attitude test after being stopped at the roadside.

**rastuscat** · 23rd July 2012, 09:02

Originally Posted by FJRider

With Police descretion in law enforcement ... re: The land Transport act ... I very much doubt if anybody will get pinged for a non standard tail light. Or similar. Unless of course you fail the attitude test after being stopped at the roadside.

I once got a ticket for doing 51 in a 50 k area. Cost me$210, revenue collecting bastards.

Then I got a ticket for my WoF running out by 1 day. 4 million dollar fine.

Then I went through a stop sign at 1 kmh, cost me 7 trillion demerit points.

Still, it gave me something to post on KB.

Harrumph.

**oneofsix** · 23rd July 2012, 09:12

Originally Posted by FJRider

You can apply for a bike not on the list ... to be put on the list.

No you can't, the manufacturer can but they wont be the ones modifying the bike will they?

Originally Posted by FJRider

With Police descretion in law enforcement ... re: The land Transport act ... I very much doubt if anybody will get pinged for a non standard tail light. Or similar. Unless of course you fail the attitude test after being stopped at the roadside.

Pack donuts and a Thermos of coffee. Now if you were to modify your bike to include a donut maker ...

Originally Posted by rastuscat

I once got a ticket for doing 51 in a 50 k area. Cost me$210, revenue collecting bastards.

Then I got a ticket for my WoF running out by 1 day. 4 million dollar fine.

Then I went through a stop sign at 1 kmh, cost me 7 trillion demerit points.

Still, it gave me something to post on KB.

Harrumph.

Gees inflation really sucks. I guess 7 trillion demerit points means loss of licence in your future place.
Looks like your food to donut ratio is a bit off today

**GrayWolf** · 23rd July 2012, 10:31

Originally Posted by rastuscat

I once got a ticket for doing 51 in a 50 k area. Cost me$210, revenue collecting bastards.

Then I got a ticket for my WoF running out by 1 day. 4 million dollar fine.

Then I went through a stop sign at 1 kmh, cost me 7 trillion demerit points.

Still, it gave me something to post on KB.

Harrumph.

Ahhhhhhh,
now we know why the donut supply has never been affected by the cut backs... the secret is out, it's DONUT revenue collecting, not for the Govt.

**FJRider** · 23rd July 2012, 17:32

Originally Posted by rastuscat

I once got a ticket for doing 51 in a 50 k area. Cost me$210, revenue collecting bastards.

Then I got a ticket for my WoF running out by 1 day. 4 million dollar fine.

Then I went through a stop sign at 1 kmh, cost me 7 trillion demerit points.

Still, it gave me something to post on KB.

Harrumph.

The WoF is a safety issue ... and a stop sign does mean STOP ... (apparently) I guess the officers you met had used up all their descretion for those days.

**rastuscat** · 23rd July 2012, 19:26

Originally Posted by FJRider

The WoF is a safety issue ... and a stop sign does mean STOP ... (apparently) I guess the officers you met had used up all their descretion for those days.

No. I made it up. Pretty much KB business as usual.

**FJRider** · 23rd July 2012, 19:39

Originally Posted by rastuscat

No. I made it up. Pretty much KB business as usual.

The thought went through my mind ... (a short trip) that you gave yourself the ticket ... being the honest chap you are ...

**clowndog** · 25th July 2012, 15:19

I just emailed them today asking them to add my GB500 to the list.

Was kinda hard to find the specs in English, but with a bit of google translate I got there in the end.

They emailed me back within 20 minutes saying they will put it on the list as it complies. (of course it would!)

Soo happy!

**ducatilover** · 25th July 2012, 22:04

Originally Posted by clowndog

I just emailed them today asking them to add my GB500 to the list.

Was kinda hard to find the specs in English, but with a bit of google translate I got there in the end.

They emailed me back within 20 minutes saying they will put it on the list as it complies. (of course it would!)

Soo happy!

Excellent, if I was to start over, the GB500 would be my learner bike, any day.

**clowndog** · 26th July 2012, 09:34

Originally Posted by ducatilover

Excellent, if I was to start over, the GB500 would be my learner bike, any day.

I'm excited to learn on this bike. Just got it Vinned and road legal too.

Now I'm guessing I can only go for my learners once October 1st comes around?

Before that though got to get some good gear. Any recommendations? I already have a nice helmet and hi vis vest.

**GrayWolf** · 26th July 2012, 10:16

Originally Posted by clowndog

I'm excited to learn on this bike. Just got it Vinned and road legal too.

Now I'm guessing I can only go for my learners once October 1st comes around?

Before that though got to get some good gear. Any recommendations? I already have a nice helmet and hi vis vest.

Hi clowndog,
Welcome and a good choice of bike. Not sure what you call 'nice' for a helmet, looks or a good brand? It's not easy to 'tell another' to buy XYZ gear, sometimes body dimensions dictate what brands we can wear DAMHIK. All that can really be suggested is buy the best you can afford. Cheap jackets are just that, CHEAP unless you are buying a genuine 'clearance' bargain. Budget brands, 1 tonne, cnell etc are all easily found in the webby/tardme. Better brands Technix, Spidi, Ixon etc etc are usually in retail outlets. comes down to preference of style and look Vs Functionality.... My own preference is function over form, but it dont always look purty!

**clowndog** · 26th July 2012, 12:55

Originally Posted by GrayWolf

Hi clowndog,
Welcome and a good choice of bike. Not sure what you call 'nice' for a helmet, looks or a good brand? It's not easy to 'tell another' to buy XYZ gear, sometimes body dimensions dictate what brands we can wear DAMHIK. All that can really be suggested is buy the best you can afford. Cheap jackets are just that, CHEAP unless you are buying a genuine 'clearance' bargain. Budget brands, 1 tonne, cnell etc are all easily found in the webby/tardme. Better brands Technix, Spidi, Ixon etc etc are usually in retail outlets. comes down to preference of style and look Vs Functionality.... My own preference is function over form, but it dont always look purty!

Thanks for that GrayWolf.

It's a Shoei helmet, just being lent it from a mate. But he says it is a good one.

I'm small to medium build. But yes safety comes first and hopefully the gear will look right with the GB500 if I can help it.

I'll keep a look out for the brands that you have recommended. Cheers!

**GoSlowR** · 26th July 2012, 18:39

Originally Posted by clowndog

I'm excited to learn on this bike. Just got it Vinned and road legal too.

Now I'm guessing I can only go for my learners once October 1st comes around?

Before that though got to get some good gear. Any recommendations? I already have a nice helmet and hi vis vest.

Wouldn't it mean you could get your learners anytime, but you couldn't ride the GB500 until october??
Be hard to wait......